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Old 06-03-14, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
Looks like Chrysler might have hit a home run on this one.
I've heard that one before. It's nice, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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Looks better than the outgoing model. But still not the best looking car in its' class IMO.
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May not be best in segment, but no one can argue it hasn't made tremendous strides.

Great looking cluster design
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Originally Posted by pbm317
LexBob2 and TangoRed are correct. 200C is aimed squarely at the mid-size family sedan segment.
OK...given the exterior dimensions, perhaps so, but it still borrows a lot from the Dodge Dart Compact, especially inside. I wish the Dart offered its V6, though.



When I got the chance to drive this a few months ago the V6 with AWD, as was reviewed in this article, was definitely the one to get. Well damped and controlled ride, never too floaty or harsh, great power and no torque-steer thanks to the AWD system.

While it borrows heavily from the Chrysler parts bin, I think it incorporates all of the items extremely well, and it's a pretty solid parts bin to be taking from at the moment. Terrific audio/navigation system, e-shifter frees up a great amount of center console space, the latest in safety technology, etc. Yes the cars will get pricey at the top end, but I think they are still quite high value contenders when you look at the content they are delivering.
If Chrysler can get THIS one right, it will REALLY have redeemed itself. The old Chrysler Cirrus/200 and Dodge Stratus, the forerunners to this car, were the laughingstocks of the mid-size sedan world, though the Chrysler convertible offered fun-in the-sun with a reasonably-sized rear seat for a reasonable price.
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OK...given the exterior dimensions, perhaps so, but it still borrows a lot from the Dodge Dart Compact, especially inside. I wish the Dart offered its V6, though.
I mean they're on the same platform and from the same corporate family, of course you're going to see some familiar switchgear, location of air vents, etc. The Jeep Cherokee has a similar theme going on. Point blank, the 200 is a size bigger than the Dart and is midsize family sedan that competes with the Fusion, Accord, etc.
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
I mean they're on the same platform and from the same corporate family, of course you're going to see some familiar switchgear, location of air vents, etc. The Jeep Cherokee has a similar theme going on. Point blank, the 200 is a size bigger than the Dart and is midsize family sedan that competes with the Fusion, Accord, etc.
Your are correct, sir.
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they are already offering a few thousands below MSRP, this is right off the bat. I think it even goes below invoice price. no takers.

this is not a good sign at all. usually cars have a strong demand when it's their debut new model design assuming it's good looking and desirable
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The 200 is 192.3" long, where the Fusion is 191.8". I'd say it's in the midsize category. The Dart is 183.9".
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Originally Posted by Tantrix
they are already offering a few thousands below MSRP, this is right off the bat. I think it even goes below invoice price. no takers.

this is not a good sign at all. usually cars have a strong demand when it's their debut new model design assuming it's good looking and desirable
The old one (except perhaps for the fairly popular convertible) had such a poor reputation that it may be affecting the sales of the new one. That is why I keep telling people....this is not the old Chrysler any more, just as Chevy and Buick are not the old GM any longer.
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Originally Posted by BrettJacks
The 200 is 192.3" long, where the Fusion is 191.8". I'd say it's in the midsize category. The Dart is 183.9".
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LexBob2 and TangoRed are correct
Like I said, you guys may have a point. The 200 turned out to be a little longer than I had thought, and may indeed compete in size more with the Regal and Accord than with the Verano and ILX. Initial impressions, though, from the auto press (which apparently turned out to be wrong) was that it was essentially an upmarket Dodge Dart.
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Originally Posted by Tantrix
they are already offering a few thousands below MSRP, this is right off the bat. I think it even goes below invoice price. no takers.

this is not a good sign at all. usually cars have a strong demand when it's their debut new model design assuming it's good looking and desirable
Can you please provide proof of this? Because right now they can't even get enough 2015 200's to the dealer. They're not expecting to get a full supply to dealers until July. Also remember there are PLENTY of leftover last-gen 200's still sitting on lots taking in incentives. You seem hell-bent on trashing this car, so I'm plenty curious to see your sources. I can see a $1000 rebate which is normal for the class, but below invoice? Doubt it.

And an additional note- with these mid-size family sedan cars, it is actually normal to see $1000-$1500 rebates right from the get-go on new models. Nissan did this exact thing with the Altima, Ford with the Fusion, and Chevy with the Malibu.

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Originally Posted by Tantrix
they are already offering a few thousands below MSRP, this is right off the bat. I think it even goes below invoice price. no takers.

this is not a good sign at all. usually cars have a strong demand when it's their debut new model design assuming it's good looking and desirable
What choice do they have? This could be the best car ever made in the history of the Universe, but it still comes with Chrysler's decades of reputation of building crappy cars. People need to be incentivized to start buying, if it's going to catch on.
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Some of you guys need to lighten up. If the market was made entirely of folks like you, it would be damned if you do, damned if you don't. You think Chrysler cars are crappy now(you wouldn't be entirely wrong), but if they try and actually put forth an honest effort into improving, you try and shut it down by saying they don't have a prayer.

Which is it? It's in the market's best interest that Chrysler do well. Competition is good. I hope the 200 is a stellar success.
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Originally Posted by tex2670
but it still comes with Chrysler's decades of reputation of building crappy cars.
That's the same excuse we heard 10 years ago about Hyundai and Kia....and it was wrong. Like it or not, times (and auto companies) DO change. We have also seen a lot of improvement in GM products lately.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
That's the same excuse we heard 10 years ago about Hyundai and Kia....and it was wrong. Like it or not, times (and auto companies) DO change. We have also seen a lot of improvement in GM products lately.
Agreed--but they needed to build momentum once they got it right; they couldn't blindly demand MSRP at that point. And look at where they are now--word finally got out.
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