Car and Driver: 2014 CTS 3.6 vs A6 3.0T vs 535i xDrive vs E350 - Page 2 - ClubLexus - Lexus Forum Discussion


Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.

Car and Driver: 2014 CTS 3.6 vs A6 3.0T vs 535i xDrive vs E350

Reply
 
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-10-14, 11:42 AM   #16
bagwell
Lexus Fanatic
 
bagwell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: back in Denver
Posts: 9,650
Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts
Default

Audi for the win

bagwell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-14, 11:50 AM   #17
SteVTEC
Lexus Test Driver
 
SteVTEC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,243
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by doge View Post
I had a 528i as a rental a few years ago and thought it was very nice that zf trans is a gem. My buddy has a e60 545 and it is no where near as nice as the current car is. Im not sure where these criticisms are coming. I haven't been a bmw person in the past but these new ones are real nice the interiors are huge improvement over what they have used to be. Im thinking about a x5 as a replacement for my ML500
I test drove the then brand new F10 2011 528i with the up-tuned naturally aspirated Inline-6 with 240hp/230tq, and the ZF 8-speed automatic. The engine and transmission were indeed a gem, but unfortunately that's the only thing I liked about the car. Everything else felt like luxo barge. Quiet, isolated, NO steering feel at all, etc. I just couldn't connect with it. Night and day difference between that and the 335i I ended up buying. If you're looking at things like interior refinement or technology then sure, the newer cars are definitely better, but much worse to actually drive. There's just a connected to the road feel that you always had in the older cars that's completely absent on all of the newer ones, and it's just not something I could live with. It's a shame, because the cars really are great in all other respects. I'd rather buy an Audi or a Benz now if I bought another German car. Hopefully BMW will sort this out on the next gen cars.
SteVTEC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-14, 11:53 AM   #18
SteVTEC
Lexus Test Driver
 
SteVTEC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Maryland
Posts: 1,243
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stlgrym3 View Post
i don't know what Audi did with those supercharged 3.0 and 4.0 motors, they're insanely quick. 3.0T 0 - 60 under 5 seconds, and 4.0T under 3.5 seconds. amazing powertrains.
supercharged and not turbocharged, so no lag and better throttle response
SteVTEC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-14, 11:56 AM   #19
pbm317
Lexus Champion
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 3,020
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SteVTEC View Post
supercharged and not turbocharged, so no lag and better throttle response
The 4.0T is actually turbocharged, not supercharged. Audi is confusing people with just using T to designate all their various forced induction systems.
pbm317 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-14, 12:27 PM   #20
Hoovey2411
Moderator
Thread Starter
iTrader: (16)
 
Hoovey2411's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: California
Posts: 35,369
Thanked 29 Times in 26 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by stlgrym3 View Post
i don't know what Audi did with those supercharged 3.0 and 4.0 motors, they're insanely quick. 3.0T 0 - 60 under 5 seconds, and 4.0T under 3.5 seconds. amazing powertrains.
It was slow last night so I took the 2013 S6 we got in trade out for a spin. The acceleration and lightning quick shifts were intoxicating
Hoovey2411 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-14, 12:28 PM   #21
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
 
mmarshall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Posts: 67,435
Thanked 56 Times in 56 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pbm317 View Post
Are you kidding me? Lincoln and Infiniti are not in the price range of this test. These models are upwards of $65,000, definitely not MKZ and Q50 competitors, even "on paper" as you suggest.
Partially true. Depends on trim level. The Q50 starts at 38-39K, The A6 and CTS start in the low 40s...not very far off.

Quote:
Infiniti has their Q70 (former M37M56) that could have been included, but has also been pretty uncompetitive in the segment.


I understand you write some reviews MMarshall, but a lot of times your understanding of segments and models seems to be a bit off
I'll respect your opinion (I don't mind someone questioning my judgement...otherwise I wouldn't post), but the Q70 is actually in a higher price-bracket.....it starts in the high 40s. It is considered a flagship, where the other cars in the test aren't. That's why I didn't include it.
mmarshall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-14, 01:17 PM   #22
TangoRed
Lexus Champion
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Washington
Posts: 2,856
Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pbm317 View Post
Are you kidding me? Lincoln and Infiniti are not in the price range of this test. These models are upwards of $65,000, definitely not MKZ and Q50 competitors, even "on paper" as you suggest.

Lincoln MKS is the larger more premium sedan, that even then, wouldn't be in this segment, and is on its way out. Volvo S80 has been uncompetitive for some time now, and is also due for a major change, no need to include it in this test.

Infiniti has their Q70 (former M37M56) that could have been included, but has also been pretty uncompetitive in the segment.

I understand you write some reviews MMarshall, but a lot of times your understanding of segments and models seems to be a bit off.
I agree with this post. The Q70 starts around the same price as the E350 and it was clearly made to handle that segment.

The MKS/S80/ES350 group are in a different class.
TangoRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-14, 03:06 PM   #23
pbm317
Lexus Champion
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 3,020
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mmarshall View Post
Partially true. Depends on trim level. The Q50 starts at 38-39K, The A6 and CTS start in the low 40s...not very far off.



I'll respect your opinion (I don't mind someone questioning my judgement...otherwise I wouldn't post), but the Q70 is actually in a higher price-bracket.....it starts in the high 40s. It is considered a flagship, where the other cars in the test aren't. That's why I didn't include it.
Again, you're wrong. The Q70 is priced DIRECTLY IN LINE with the heart of the E/5/GS/A6/etc. for V6 and up engines. Maybe we could argue that it shouldn't be priced directly with them, and that's what hurts it, but Q70 is not a "flagship" that competes against the LS/S-Class/A8/7 series. Is that who you're saying the Q70 competes against??

Yes, the Q70 it is Infiniti's current "flagship" after they ditched their Q45, but it competes (albeit not very well) in the heart of the "midsize" premium sedan segment.

The CTS starts at $45K and the A6 starts at $43K, both are on paper, I'm fairly certain you'd be hard pressed to find vehicles at that price point stocked on dealer lots. Whereas the bulk of Q50's on dealer lots will top out somewhere in the low to mid $40K's. Again, look at the avg as tested prices in the article!
pbm317 is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
0-60 are misleading natertater Hybrid Technology 3 12-18-17 08:29 AM
Car and Driver Test - GS200t JDR76 GS - 4th Gen (2013-present) 2 01-19-17 04:21 PM
Cadillacís Problem of the Cars It Canít Sell LexsCTJill Car Chat 230 09-28-16 07:22 AM
Comparison-Audi-s6-4-0t-quattro-vs-Cadillac-cts-v-sport-vs-Lexus-gs-f LexsCTJill Car Chat 5 03-27-16 09:34 PM
GM cuts price on most Cadillac CTS sedans amid weak demand Joeb427 Car Chat 33 01-09-15 08:48 PM


Tags
2014 , 350 , 535 , 535i , a6 , audi , benz , bmw , compare , cts , e350 , gs , gs350 , jaguar , lexus , mercedes , xf

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:33 PM.


Copyright © 2000-2017 Internet Brands, Inc. All Rights Reserved We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: