2015 Camry, commentary
#166
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The 94 Celica really poured on the looks, with those four big round headlights and the beautifully-done body curves, but Toyota also dropped the All-Trac AWD option that year and used some rather wimpy Corolla-based engines. Even the GT model only had 130 HP and even less torque. The base ST version, at 105-110 HP, was clearly underpowered.....(even by my conservative standards). The following generation Celica GTS, in 2000, used the 180 HP VVT-i four (still without much torque), but, IMO, looked and felt like a Hot-Wheels toy car....it was cheaply built.
As for the age groups, you have to realize that you approach every segment and every design decision from the perspective of the 55-65 demographic right
EVERY car can't be designed for them.
EVERY car can't be designed for them.
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#167
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In the last 10 years or so, the auto press has gotten enormous influence among the manufacturers.
The manufacturers seem to be fixated on those aged a couple of decades younger.
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actually, i have read in one of the PR's for one of Toyota's cars that they still need to appeal to older population as 55 is not old anymore and they all drive for quite a lot longer than that these days.
#171
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Vanilla done right is the new Accord. Nothing jumps out at you with the design, no overdone grille, no unnecessarily swoopy profile. But DAYAM, with the 18" wheel option and the LEDs it's one SHARP looking family sedan.
Trying to convince a friend to buy one, but only if he goes for the Touring package with the 18"s and LEDs.
I'm hoping the new Camry will have the new Corolla LED lowbeams. Those really make the new Corolla stand out when you check it out in the rear view mirror after you passed it on the highway going 90 in a 100km/h zone...
Trying to convince a friend to buy one, but only if he goes for the Touring package with the 18"s and LEDs.
I'm hoping the new Camry will have the new Corolla LED lowbeams. Those really make the new Corolla stand out when you check it out in the rear view mirror after you passed it on the highway going 90 in a 100km/h zone...
#172
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Vanilla done right is the new Accord. Nothing jumps out at you with the design, no overdone grille, no unnecessarily swoopy profile. But DAYAM, with the 18" wheel option and the LEDs it's one SHARP looking family sedan.
Trying to convince a friend to buy one, but only if he goes for the Touring package with the 18"s and LEDs.
I'm hoping the new Camry will have the new Corolla LED lowbeams. Those really make the new Corolla stand out when you check it out in the rear view mirror after you passed it on the highway going 90 in a 100km/h zone...
Trying to convince a friend to buy one, but only if he goes for the Touring package with the 18"s and LEDs.
I'm hoping the new Camry will have the new Corolla LED lowbeams. Those really make the new Corolla stand out when you check it out in the rear view mirror after you passed it on the highway going 90 in a 100km/h zone...
One point, the Touring package comes with 17" alloys. To get the 18's, you are stuck with the Sport model, which doesn't have the LED drl's.
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Struggling Honda, am I missing something? Sure they don't have much on offer for enthusiast but they have the mass market covered very well.
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Honda has 3 cars doing well, Civic, Accord, CR-V which accounts for most of their sales….
#178
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The Pilot and Odyssey also do very well, as does the Fit. The rest of their product line are all niche vehicles, the Ridgeline, the CRZ, Element, Insight,
Odyssey outsold Sienna in 2013....and when you compare the Grand Caravan & Town & Country separately the Odyssey was the best selling minivan in the US in 2013.
Fit outsold Yaris 2 to 1 in 2013...
Pilot sells almost identically to the Highlander, Highlander bested it by 1,000 units....the Highlander is old but IMHO the Pilot is a terrible vehicle.
I know you'e not a Honda fan, but facts are facts. Honda is doing very well, and their success in the marketplace is hardly limited to Civic, Accord and CR-V. In fact they are leading or within a few thousand units of leading in sales in 6 segments...I'd hardly call that "struggling".
#179
I too think Honda did it right this time. It's been a long time since they produced a good looking car, the last gen Prelude IMO. To this day I still think it looks good.
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If you look at a percentage of sales, those 3 models are most of their sales. Honda incentives are up compared to the past where they didn't need them. I'm not disagreeing they are not doing well, I am just stating these things.