View Poll Results: What name should Toyota use for the production Toyota FT-1?
Supra gets my vote!
129
84.31%
I don't know, but its time for a new name.
24
15.69%
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Toyota Supra / FT-1
08-10-17, 11:18 AM
#1066
Lexus Fanatic
08-10-17, 01:07 PM
#1068
Exactly, the S58 will be even more powerful. Anyway, even if they don't let Toyota have the S55, BMW's specialty is making potent I6's. Toyota would be lucky to have a BMW I6 in the Supra.
08-10-17, 03:14 PM
#1069
Lexus Fanatic
I don't think owners are going to feel lucky having a BMW I6 in the Supra, BMW may specialize in making potent inline 6's but they don't specialize in making reliable inline sixes, especially the turbo's. BMW turbo sixes have been having a lot of problems. Toyota made a much more reliable inline 6 in the last Supra that was still reliable after tuning it for a lot more power.
08-10-17, 03:47 PM
#1070
Lexus Test Driver
I don't think owners are going to feel lucky having a BMW I6 in the Supra, BMW may specialize in making potent inline 6's but they don't specialize in making reliable inline sixes, especially the turbo's. BMW turbo sixes have been having a lot of problems. Toyota made a much more reliable inline 6 in the last Supra that was still reliable after tuning it for a lot more power.
The turbo inline 6s (N54, N55, B58) have been super reliable.
In fact there is a huge amount of them that are tuned to make 400-500hp on stock internals with no issues.
These engines are used in hundreds of thousands of cars including X5, X6, 2,3,4series etc.
Are they as reliable as a 2JZ? NO
But that engine was one of a kind and way overengineered for that time.
08-10-17, 04:13 PM
#1071
Lexus Test Driver
I got so much flak for saying Toyota really doesn't have the ability or purposely chooses not to develop performance engines and frankly this is proof.
Kind of sad that Toyota has to rely on a BMW engine for such an iconic car.
Toyota is too wrapped up developing Hybrids and Dynamic Force Engines that are all about fuel economy and thermal efficiency. Just watch as every dynamic force engine that gets paraded out will all be about "efficiency."
Unfortunately this doesn't bode well for Lexus. I'm not sure what Lexus' strategy is, but if they had one, a decent one not all wrapped in thermal efficiency, fuel economy, and undersquare, long-stroke, low RPM engines, we would have seen it front and center in the LS 500, but that ship has sailed.
Kind of sad that Toyota has to rely on a BMW engine for such an iconic car.
Toyota is too wrapped up developing Hybrids and Dynamic Force Engines that are all about fuel economy and thermal efficiency. Just watch as every dynamic force engine that gets paraded out will all be about "efficiency."
Unfortunately this doesn't bode well for Lexus. I'm not sure what Lexus' strategy is, but if they had one, a decent one not all wrapped in thermal efficiency, fuel economy, and undersquare, long-stroke, low RPM engines, we would have seen it front and center in the LS 500, but that ship has sailed.
08-10-17, 05:22 PM
#1072
I don't think owners are going to feel lucky having a BMW I6 in the Supra, BMW may specialize in making potent inline 6's but they don't specialize in making reliable inline sixes, especially the turbo's. BMW turbo sixes have been having a lot of problems. Toyota made a much more reliable inline 6 in the last Supra that was still reliable after tuning it for a lot more power.
08-13-17, 05:07 PM
#1076
Lexus Fanatic
08-14-17, 04:31 AM
#1078
Past Toyota management HATES WITH A ****ING PASSION sports cars. Hence we have the death of the Celica, the death of the high revving 2ZZ-GE, death of the Matrix XRS, Corolla XRS, getting back a few years, no replacement for the world beating Supra.
I'd also argue that even recent past management, ie those in charge around 2010-12, hated sports cars as well, thus why we ended up with the RWD Subie powered FRZ, GT-86, whatever the **** you want to call that ugly coupe with a crap economy car engine. I still think those current managers are in power, as if the enthusiast managers were in charege, we'd see a turbo Subaru motor mounted in the FRZ, GT-86 chassis. This same group of lame *** thinkers is still in charge of the "new Supra" platform, that is shared with BMW, if history is any indication, they will leave engine development up to BMW, who will build us some magnificently performing piece of **** motor that has catastrophic failure somewhere just outside of warranty, which is the BMW business model, and hopefully Toyota customers will sue the **** out of Toyota and get massive cash rewards. I see this happening because BMW engineers theirs cars to fail just outside of warranty.
I'd also argue that even recent past management, ie those in charge around 2010-12, hated sports cars as well, thus why we ended up with the RWD Subie powered FRZ, GT-86, whatever the **** you want to call that ugly coupe with a crap economy car engine. I still think those current managers are in power, as if the enthusiast managers were in charege, we'd see a turbo Subaru motor mounted in the FRZ, GT-86 chassis. This same group of lame *** thinkers is still in charge of the "new Supra" platform, that is shared with BMW, if history is any indication, they will leave engine development up to BMW, who will build us some magnificently performing piece of **** motor that has catastrophic failure somewhere just outside of warranty, which is the BMW business model, and hopefully Toyota customers will sue the **** out of Toyota and get massive cash rewards. I see this happening because BMW engineers theirs cars to fail just outside of warranty.
08-14-17, 06:04 AM
#1079
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
about the new supra and engine... if it has a bmw engine it i'd consider it a complete sell-out by toyota unless they're looking to buy bmw.
i mean why buy a supra which is just a rebadged bmw?
