Bmw m3 & m4 reveal
12-11-13, 06:39 PM
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The M3/M4 have earned their places among car enthusiasts as some of the best cars available at any price. How can anyone hate on them?
12-11-13, 07:04 PM
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I bet it even beat Corvette Z06 "Save the up coming C7 Z06" for the money-performance ratio. It will smoke Mustang Supersnake in a drag race, and drive more superbly than Porsche Cayman S. Everyone defines performance differently.
12-11-13, 07:48 PM
#64
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If the M3 costs $80k, it's highway robbery IMO.
12-11-13, 08:31 PM
#65
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Even E92 could be optioned to about 80k
Ur comparing to cars from a different class completely.
Most of those are luxury sedans that cant even come close to the performance level of an M3.
Jag Ftype - even V6 will run u much more than 80k
C7 vette - this is a dedicated sports car not a daily driver like M3/4
12-11-13, 08:34 PM
#66
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Just because something doesn't suit you doesn't mean its "highway robbery". I know plenty of people who would rather have an M3 over an Audi A8...does that mean the A8 is "highway robbery"?
You have to learn to leave your bias out of it and understand that not every car is designed to appeal to you.
12-11-13, 08:36 PM
#67
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Those are just completely different types of cars. I personally would not purchase an M3, just because its not the sort of car I would purchase and own. I'd rather have a CLS, Jag XJ, Audi A8, etc...those types of cars just suit me better. That doesn't mean I can't appreciate what an M3 is though.
Just because something doesn't suit you doesn't mean its "highway robbery". I know plenty of people who would rather have an M3 over an Audi A8...does that mean the A8 is "highway robbery"?
You have to learn to leave your bias out of it and understand that not every car is designed to appeal to you.
Just because something doesn't suit you doesn't mean its "highway robbery". I know plenty of people who would rather have an M3 over an Audi A8...does that mean the A8 is "highway robbery"?
You have to learn to leave your bias out of it and understand that not every car is designed to appeal to you.
Sure...
12-11-13, 08:38 PM
#68
As a former m3 owner (2004 e46 convertible) I for one am glad to see BMW going back to their 6 cylinders. The S54 inline 6 that was in the e46 m cars was absolutely sublime. 3.2 liter naturally aspirated that produced 333 hp and still got 25 mpg if you didn't flog it all the time.
If it were me, Id wait 4 or 5 years and pick up a CPO lease return. M4... Convertible, of course. ;-)
If it were me, Id wait 4 or 5 years and pick up a CPO lease return. M4... Convertible, of course. ;-)
Regarding CPO, I bet you'll be able to pick up CPO'd cars after the first year! I remember seeing CPO E9X M3s on the lots within the first model year - not necessarily a bad thing though if you're looking to pick on up!
12-11-13, 08:50 PM
#69
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Give us a factual description of why an M3 is a "shopping cart".
You've never driven either car so you have no basis to prefer one over the other.
12-11-13, 09:18 PM
#70
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Thats just a ridiculous statement. Why is a Jaguar F-Type worth $80,000 but an M3 is not? The only answer is because you like the F-Type and have a bias against the M3. Ask any non-biased professional driver, auto journalist, or true non biased enthusiast which car is the better performer, the F-Type or an M3 and it will be an easy decision. Nobody who compares an M3 with a Jag XJ or a Range Rover knows anything about cars. Thats just insane lol.
Give us a factual description of why an M3 is a "shopping cart".
You've never driven either car so you have no basis to prefer one over the other.
Give us a factual description of why an M3 is a "shopping cart".
You've never driven either car so you have no basis to prefer one over the other.
And I didn't say the M3 was a shopping cart, I just used your logic to extend it to a shopping cart. You say an M3 costing $80000 is not highway robbery just because it doesn't appeal to me, but it appeals to some people. Well then a shopping cart at $80,000 must appeal to some guy out there, therefore calling it highway robbery would also be wrong, when it clearly isn't.
12-11-13, 09:27 PM
#71
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And I didn't say the M3 was a shopping cart, I just used your logic to extend it to a shopping cart. You say an M3 costing $80000 is not highway robbery just because it doesn't appeal to me, but it appeals to some people. Well then a shopping cart at $80,000 must appeal to some guy out there, therefore calling it highway robbery would also be wrong, when it clearly isn't.
I know what an F-Type looks like. Styling is subjective, I personally think an M4 is a better looking car than an F-Type. I'm not a roadster/2 seater coupe fan. But, what makes an M3/M4 a special car is not styling. If all you care about is styling a car like that is lost on you.
An M4 will absolutely run circles around an F-Type R. If you don't care about performance I would venture to say both cars would be wasted on you...certainly an F-Type R.
12-11-13, 11:01 PM
#73
The F10 series are gorgeous and totally blows the new lexus design out-of-the-water IMO. Though the interior is still lacking, especially when compared to equivalent price cars. The picture posted by Mr. Burns shows how much nicer the jaguar interior is.
While I do think the m3/4 can be worth $90k, we shouldn't be bashing Mr. Burn for saying its not. We are a lexus forum, and therefore value is a top priority for many of our members as opposed to other car forums (such as BMW and Porsche) where performance and brand image are top priorities. With different customer priorities, certain brands can sale their cars at different price points, even ones where the value does not equal price.
While I do think the m3/4 can be worth $90k, we shouldn't be bashing Mr. Burn for saying its not. We are a lexus forum, and therefore value is a top priority for many of our members as opposed to other car forums (such as BMW and Porsche) where performance and brand image are top priorities. With different customer priorities, certain brands can sale their cars at different price points, even ones where the value does not equal price.
12-11-13, 11:08 PM
#74
Although both the F-Type and M4 are daily drivable, both take on two different personas with the Jaguar going more the Grand Touring route as expected. Jags have always had an heir for luxury and refinement but also quick reflexes similar to the feline it shares it's name with whereas the BMW is more "hardcore", tuned for time attacks and CF laden. Both have plenty of pedigree and style and both have accolades that are superior to each other. To each their own, I like both.
12-11-13, 11:14 PM
#75
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The F10 series are gorgeous and totally blows the new lexus design out-of-the-water IMO. Though the interior is still lacking, especially when compared to equivalent price cars. The picture posted by Mr. Burns shows how much nicer the jaguar interior is.
While I do think the m3/4 can be worth $90k, we shouldn't be bashing Mr. Burn for saying its not. We are a lexus forum, and therefore value is a top priority for many of our members as opposed to other car forums (such as BMW and Porsche) where performance and brand image are top priorities. With different customer priorities, certain brands can sale their cars at different price points, even ones where the value does not equal price.
While I do think the m3/4 can be worth $90k, we shouldn't be bashing Mr. Burn for saying its not. We are a lexus forum, and therefore value is a top priority for many of our members as opposed to other car forums (such as BMW and Porsche) where performance and brand image are top priorities. With different customer priorities, certain brands can sale their cars at different price points, even ones where the value does not equal price.