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Old 07-13-13, 12:01 AM
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Default Rumormill: Next Mazdaspeed3 could go naturally aspirated?

Next Mazdaspeed3 could go naturally aspirated?



The new Mazda3 is a stunner, both aesthetically and from a driving perspective. As with all good things, though, there's always room for improvement. That's where the wizards from Mazdaspeed come in. Mazda's in-house tuner has been tweaking and turbocharging the five-door Mazda3 since 2007, with impressive results.

We've shown you renderings of what the third-generation Mazdaspeed3 could look like, and for the most part your response was quite positive. Now, AutoExpress has come out with details of just what might be under that long hood. According to our friends across the pond, the new Mazda3 MPS (that's what the Speed3 is called in Her Majesty's auto industry) will be arriving with a new, high-revving, naturally aspirated engine. Wait, what?

Yes, if the rumors are to be believed, the next Mazdaspeed3 will ditch its turbocharger. According to an anonymous engineer, the new MS3 will arrive in December (this is for the UK market, mind you) with a 200-horsepower, naturally aspirated engine. The 2.0-liter mill is based on the Skyactiv engine in the new 3, and should be capable of a sub-seven-second run to 62 miles per hour.

Now, we strongly encourage you to take these rumors with a grain of salt. There are a lot of things that don't add up here. With 200 horsepower, the new Speed3 would be down over 50 horsepower on the original model. It'd also be easily outgunned by the competition from Ford, Subaru, and Volkswagen. And what about torque? The only way we can see a 200-horsepower Mazdaspeed3 working is if it weight is dramatically reduced. Considering weight savings is a tenet of Mazda's Skyactiv philosophy, that seems like a possibility.

We're still a long way from the new Mazdaspeed3's debut, and a lot can change between now and then. What do you think - does a Mazdaspeed3 work without a turbo? Would you buy one with the more powerful alternatives available? Let us know in the comments.

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Default 2014 Mazda3 officially rated at 30/41 mpg, priced from $16,945*

2014 Mazda3 officially rated at 30/41 mpg, priced from $16,945*



It's hard not to be smitten with the 2014 Mazda3; after all, just look at it. But beyond its slick lines, we found the new compact hatch to be a pretty remarkable steer, offering up good levels of comfort and refinement, not to mention functionality and engagement. Now, there's more reason to like the 2014 Mazda3, as we've just learned that the car will officially be rated at 30 miles per gallon city and 41 mpg highway.

That 30/41 rating is for the Mazda3 sedan fitted with the 2.0-liter Skyactiv-G inline four-cylinder engine and a six-speed automatic transmission. Opting for the manual transmission retains the 41-mpg highway number, but drops the city digits to 29. Hatchback models with the 2.0-liter engine achieve 29/40 mpg with the manual 'box and 30/40 with the automatic.

Mazda also offers a larger 2.5-liter inline-four in the 3, and while a six-speed automatic will be the only transmission available with this engine at launch, the automaker has confirmed that a manual is coming shortly. With the 6AT and 2.5, the Mazda3 sedan is rated at 28/39 mpg, or 29/40 with the company's i-Eloop regenerative braking system. Hatchback models shrink those numbers to 28/37 and 29/39 mpg, with and without i-Eloop, respectively.

Along with official fuel economy numbers, Mazda has announced pricing for its new compact, and the base i SV model with a six-speed manual transmission will start at $16,945 (*not including $795 for destination).

Several other models will be offered at the following prices. To note, "i" models use the 2.0-liter engine, while "s" trims use the larger 2.5-liter mill.

2014 Mazda3 i Sport sedan – $18,445
2014 Mazda3 i Sport hatchback – $18,945
2014 Mazda3 i Touring sedan – $19,595
2014 Mazda3 i Touring hatchback – $20,095
2014 Mazda3 i Grand Touring sedan – $22,745
2014 Mazda3 i Grand Touring hatchback – $23,245
2014 Mazda3 s Touring sedan – $24,595
2014 Mazda3 s Touring hatchback – $25,095
2014 Mazda3 s Grand Touring sedan – $25,595
2014 Mazda3 s Grand Touring hatchback – $26,495

Several packages are offered along the way, including a Touring Technology Package ($1,600) for i Touring models featuring the company's new seven-inch touchscreen infotainment system, upgraded Bose sound system, and a host of other goodies found within both of those features. For s Grand Touring models with the 2.5-liter engine, the i-Eloop regenerative braking system can be had for $1,600, including high-beam light control, lane departure warning and Mazda's Smart City Brake Support system. All in, a loaded Mazda3 hatchback will set you back $28,890, including destination.

It may be one of the most fuel-efficient cars in the class, but it's also now one of the most expensive. Still, considering how great the Mazda3 is to drive, we'd be more inclined to spend our enthusiast dollars on something like this than a comparably priced Ford Focus.

MAZDA ANNOUNCES PRICING AND FUEL ECONOMY OF ALL-NEW 2014 MAZDA3

Redesigned Compact Car Offers Competitive Pricing, Best-in-Class Fuel Economy

Jul 24, 2013

IRVINE, Calif., July 24, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Mazda North American Operations (MNAO) today announced official pricing and fuel economy figures for the all-new 2014 Mazda3. Starting at $16,945[1] MSRP, the redesigned compact vehicle is the brand's best-selling and most recognizable nameplate worldwide with more than 3.5 million vehicles sold. With the full complement of SKYACTIV®[2] technologies combined with the handsome styling of the KODO "Soul of Motion" design language and all-new technologies such as the capacitor-based regenerative engine braking i-ELOOP system, the 2014 Mazda3 touts exceptional styling and best-in-class fuel economy with 41 highway mpg.

"The compact car segment is one that is competitively cutthroat, meaning there is little room for error when launching an all-new vehicle like the 2014 Mazda3," said Jim O'Sullivan, president and CEO, MNAO. "But our best-selling vehicle has only gotten better, winning over the industry critics that were recently offered a behind-the-wheel experience. Yet our most important judges remain the consumers and I am confident that our third-generation Mazda3 will not disappoint."

The Mazda3 was the first Mazda in North America to feature SKYACTIV TECHNOLOGY, introducing the SKYACTIV-G 2.0-liter gasoline engine as well as SKYACTIV manual and automatic transmissions in 2012. On sale in September, the 2014 Mazda3 will be offered with two SKYACTIV engine choices in the 2.0-liter and 2.5-liter gasoline engines. The standard engine on i designated trim levels (SV, Sport, Touring and Grand Touring) remains the SKYACTIV-G 2.0-liter, which produces 155 horsepower at 6,000 rpm and 150 lb-ft of torque at 4,000 rpm. For s designated models, the larger SKYACTIV-G 2.5-liter gasoline engine will be standard equipment and boasts 184 horsepower at 5,700 rpm and 185 lb-ft of torque at 3,250 rpm.

The sedan-only i SV is available with either the SKYACTIV-MT six-speed manual ($16,945 MSRP) or SKYACTIV-Drive six-speed automatic ($17,995 MSRP) transmissions. However, this entry-level model can hardly be called "base." Although featuring a slight price increase ($245) from the previous model year, in addition to SKYACTIV TECHNOLOGY, the 2014 Mazda3 i SV model offers new standard features such as push-button start, automatic power door locks, a remote keyless entry system, daytime running lights and a USB connection port. Also standard are a matte-finish front grille, 16-inch full-cover steel wheels, body-color door handles and bumpers, dual-power folding outside mirrors, power windows with driver-side one-touch down/up, a tilt-and-telescopic adjustable steering column, air conditioning with a pollen filter, trim-specific cloth sport seats, a fold-down rear seat, a four-speaker AM/FM audio system and an auxiliary input jack.

Moving up to the i Sport adds illuminated steering wheel controls, a 60/40-split fold-flat rear seat, Bluetooth® hands-free phone and audio connectivity, cruise control, a trip computer, a CD player, map lights, body-colored side mirrors and a tachometer. Sport models are available in either sedan or new-for-2014 five-door form and can be fitted with either transmission. The Mazda3 i Sport four-door with SKYACTIV-MT starts at $18,445 MSRP while an identically equipped five-door starts at $18,945 MSRP. Optioning the SKYACTIV-Drive six-speed automatic adds $1,050 for either sedan or five-door model.

Mid-level i Touring models feature all-new 16-inch aluminum alloy wheels, heated body-color folding outside mirrors with turn signal indicators, bright beltline trim, a rear seat folding armrest with cup holders, the Mazda Advanced Keyless Entry & Start system, Touring-specific cloth-trimmed sport seats as well as a leather-wrapped brake handle, shift **** and three-spoke steering wheel with contrast stitching. A body-color rear deck lip spoiler becomes standard on sedans while a rear roof spoiler is fitted onto five-door models. A Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) system with Rear Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA) also is standard on all i Touring models. The Mazda3 i Touring four-door with SKYACTIV-MT starts at $19,595 MSRP while the five-door version adds $500 to a starting price of $20,095 MSRP. Like i Sport models, the automatic transmission can be added for $1,050, regardless of how many doors are optioned.

A Touring Technology Package ($1,600 MSRP) is available for all i Touring models. This optional package adds Mazda's all-new human-machine interface (HMI) system featuring a seven-inch full-color touch screen display, navigation, a multi-function commander control for display screen operations, a rearview camera, a Bose® Centerpoint® 2 nine-speaker Surround Sound System with AudioPilot® 2, HD Radio™ Technology, Sirius/XM satellite radio with a four-month complimentary subscription, Aha by HARMAN™ radio integration, Pandora® internet radio compatibility, Stitcher™ internet radio integration, E911 automatic emergency notification and SMS text message receipt and delivery, two USB ports, voice command, dual zone automatic climate control, an overhead console with sunglasses holder, illuminated vanity mirrors and a shark fin antenna.

The i Grand Touring starts at $22,745 MSRP for the sedan and $23,245 MSRP for the five-door when featuring a SKYACTIV-MT six-speed manual transmission. The SKYACTIV-Drive six-speed automatic adds $1,050 to $23,795 MSRP and $24,295 MSRP, respectively. All i Grand Touring models feature the equipment of an i Touring with SKYACTIV-Drive as well as a six-way power-adjustable driver's seat with manual lumbar adjustment, leatherette seats and door panel inserts, variable heated front seats and a moonroof with a one-touch open function.

Fuel economy for all five-door models featuring the SKYACTIV-G 2.0-liter engine is rated by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) at 29 city/40 highway/33 combined mpg with a manual transmission and 30 city/40 highway/33 combined mpg when equipped with an automatic. Sedan models are estimated[3] to offer 29 city/41 highway mpg (6MT) and 30 city/41 highway mpg (6AT).

The more powerful SKYACTIV-G 2.5-liter gasoline engine is reserved for s models, which are available only in Touring and Grand Touring trim levels. At launch, the SKYACTIV-Drive six-speed automatic transmission will be the only transmission option available, but the SKYACTIV-MT six-speed manual is confirmed to be offered at a later date. Estimated fuel economy for the s-designated sedans is 28 city/39 highway mpg or 29 city/40 highway mpg when equipped with i-ELOOP. Five-doors are estimated to achieve 28 city/37 highway mpg or 29 city/39 highway mpg with i-ELOOP. All i and s trims deliver their fuel economies equipped with standard temporary spare tire.

Starting at $24,595 MSRP, the Mazda3 s Touring sedan is equipped not only with the robust SKYACTIV-G 2.5-liter engine but boasts 18-inch aluminum alloy wheels, bi-xenon headlights with manual leveling, a piano black-finish front grille, halogen fog lights, LED combination taillights, LED daytime running lights, the all-new Active Driving Display, steering wheel-mounted paddle shifters, a six-way power-adjustable driver's seat with manual lumbar adjustment, leatherette seats and door panel inserts, and variable heated front seats in addition to the features available on the i Touring with Technology Package. The five-door model starts at $25,095 MSRP.

A Sport mode button also is standard and offers a more direct response in terms of accelerator feel and a heightened sense of linearity. All Mazda3 vehicles equipped with a six-speed automatic transmission feature a manual shift option but the Sport mode feature (s models only) adjusts the shift mapping – and to a lesser extent the throttle response – to better match more engaging driving conditions, such as twisty roads. The transmission will hold gears longer and not upshift or downshift as much while manually shifting when driving through turns.

The top-of-the-food-chain s Grand Touring features all the equipment of the s Touring with Technology Package as well as auto on/off headlights, bi-xenon headlights with auto leveling, a pivoting Adaptive Front-lighting System (AFS), rain-sensing windshield wipers, an auto dimming rearview mirror, perforated leather-trimmed seats and a moonroof with a one-touch open function. The s Grand Touring sedan starts at $25,995 MSRP and the five-door at $26,495 MSRP.

A Touring Technology Package ($1,600 MSRP) for the s Grand Touring model adds the i-ELOOP regenerative engine braking system, active grille shutters, High Beam Control (HBC), a Lane Departure Warning System (LDWS) and Smart City Brake Support (SCBS).

SCBS is an added safety component designed to assist a driver in reducing the extent of front collisions when traveling at speeds between 2 and 19 miles per hour. When the imbedded laser sensor detects an obtrusive object ahead of the vehicle and the system calculates there may be a high risk for collision, the brake pedal travel is reduced in order to hasten braking. Should the driver fail to perform an avoidance maneuver, the SCBS system will activate an automatic braking function. While the system will not eliminate accidents, its intent is to minimize them and reduce the severity of an impact.

All 2014 Mazda3 vehicles are available with a choice of eight colors: Jet Black, Soul Red, Blue Reflex, Liquid Silver, Meteor Gray, Snowflake White Pearl and the two all-new Mazda shades of Deep Crystal Blue and Titanium Flash. A choice of Black or Sand cloth seats as well as Black or Almond leather seats is available based on trim level. Leatherette-trimmed seats are offered only in Black.

Standard safety features for the 2014 Mazda3 includes six airbags (front, side and full side-curtain), whiplash-reducing front headrests, headrests for all seating positions, power-assisted ventilated front and solid rear disc solid brakes, anti-lock brakes (ABS) with Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (EBD) and Brake Assist, daytime running lights, Dynamic Stability Control (DSC), a Traction Control System (TCS), Hill Launch Assist, a collapsible steering column (following air bag deployment), a trunk entrapment release system, a tire pressure monitoring system (TPMS), a keyless remote panic button on the key fob, three-point safety belts for all seating positions, front seatbelt pretensioners with force limiters as well as Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children (LATCH).

i Touring and above models feature a Blind Spot Monitoring (BSM) system and Rear Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA) as standard equipment. A rearview camera is an available option on i Touring models and is standard on i Grand Touring as well as s Touring and Grand Touring models. The Adaptive Front-lighting System (AFS) and rain sensing wipers are standard on the s Grand Touring. High Beam Control (HBC), a Lane Departure Warning System (LDWS) and Smart City Brake Support (SCBS) are available as part of the Grand Touring Technology Package for the s Grand Touring models.

Mazda North American Operations is headquartered in Irvine, Calif., and oversees the sales, marketing, parts and customer service support of Mazda vehicles in the United States and Mexico through nearly 700 dealers. Operations in Mexico are managed by Mazda Motor de Mexico in Mexico City. For more information on Mazda vehicles, including photography and B-roll, please visit the online Mazda media center at www.mazdausamedia.com.

[1] Starting price is manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) for lowest trim level. MSRP does not include $795 destination charge (Alaska $840), title, taxes, license, options and dealer charges. Actual prices set by dealer and may vary.

[2] SKYACTIV is a registered trademark of Mazda Motor Corporation (MC).

[3] These figures are only estimates as provided by the manufacturer and not yet confirmed by the EPA. This particular model/trim has yet to be tested by a government agency.
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30k for hatch... darn.
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What? The hatch starts $18,945...
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The $19, 595K hatch is the sweet spot! Cheap, fun with just enough electronics.
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What? The hatch starts $18,945...
I think he means when fully loaded, it's almost $30K. And that's not even a Mazdaspeed3.
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Originally Posted by -J-P-L-
I think he means when fully loaded, it's almost $30K. And that's not even a Mazdaspeed3.
There's also a *****ton of technology for that $30k - rivaling anything you'll find below luxury flagship sedans that would cost you around $80k+
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There's also a *****ton of technology for that $30k - rivaling anything you'll find below luxury flagship sedans that would cost you around $80k+
2014 Mazda3 s Grand Touring hatchback – $26,495

Several packages are offered along the way, including a Touring Technology Package ($1,600) for i Touring models featuring the company's new seven-inch touchscreen infotainment system, upgraded Bose sound system, and a host of other goodies found within both of those features. For s Grand Touring models with the 2.5-liter engine, the i-Eloop regenerative braking system can be had for $1,600, including high-beam light control, lane departure warning and Mazda's Smart City Brake Support system. All in, a loaded Mazda3 hatchback will set you back $28,890, including destination.
I am sure that Bose in $30k Mazda will rival Mark Levinson, and of course 2.5l engine, lane departure warning and 7" screen, who wouldnt pay $30k for that?

Point is - it is very expensive. It might be great for Europe, but Mazda Speed used to cost 25k, now you pay $30k for 2.5l engine.... what will Mazda Speed version cost, $35k?

These options and pricing makes sense for Europe and Japan, not for US. People in US like to buy "loaded" and if you tell them "loaded" is $30k they will laugh you off.

It is sad that Mazda still does not understand how US market works and no wonder their sales are bad, despite good product... they have to replace whoever is head of their marketing and start over.

If you have great products and bad sales then obviously something is wrong.
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Originally Posted by spwolf
I am sure that Bose in $30k Mazda will rival Mark Levinson, and of course 2.5l engine, lane departure warning and 7" screen, who wouldnt pay $30k for that?

Point is - it is very expensive. It might be great for Europe, but Mazda Speed used to cost 25k, now you pay $30k for 2.5l engine.... what will Mazda Speed version cost, $35k?

These options and pricing makes sense for Europe and Japan, not for US. People in US like to buy "loaded" and if you tell them "loaded" is $30k they will laugh you off.

It is sad that Mazda still does not understand how US market works and no wonder their sales are bad, despite good product... they have to replace whoever is head of their marketing and start over.

If you have great products and bad sales then obviously something is wrong.
Yeah, that is getting a bit high. Mine had everything but the auto & the nav/pushbutton/sat radio option, & it was closer to $24k list. Same thing now would be ~$27k. Also, the Bose isn't worth $50, much less whatever markup they sold it for packaged with the sunroof. The new one looks decent, but I'm not sure it'd be my top choice if I were buying today.
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30k for hatch... darn.
not mazda's fault. dollar is becoming worthless. QED.
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Originally Posted by spwolf
I am sure that Bose in $30k Mazda will rival Mark Levinson, and of course 2.5l engine, lane departure warning and 7" screen, who wouldnt pay $30k for that?

Point is - it is very expensive. It might be great for Europe, but Mazda Speed used to cost 25k, now you pay $30k for 2.5l engine.... what will Mazda Speed version cost, $35k?

These options and pricing makes sense for Europe and Japan, not for US. People in US like to buy "loaded" and if you tell them "loaded" is $30k they will laugh you off.

It is sad that Mazda still does not understand how US market works and no wonder their sales are bad, despite good product... they have to replace whoever is head of their marketing and start over.

If you have great products and bad sales then obviously something is wrong.
And there's certain things available you can't get in the IS or GS. Tit for tat.

I disagree on people liking to buy "loaded". That's not even close to the case. I see many more Mazda3 i's than I do s. Likewise I see many more IS250 than IS350. You can even look at quoted sales numbers for that.

Lower cost trim levels sell much more than higher cost trim levels. People might like the idea of buying loaded, but their behavior is very different, and the data proves it.

Also, simply because this trim level can get up to $28k, doesn't mean the MS3 will be above that unless you're talking about adding in the technology options that the last gen didn't have. Same technology, new generation, should be just about the same price.
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Originally Posted by Infra
And there's certain things available you can't get in the IS or GS. Tit for tat.

I disagree on people liking to buy "loaded". That's not even close to the case. I see many more Mazda3 i's than I do s. Likewise I see many more IS250 than IS350. You can even look at quoted sales numbers for that.

Lower cost trim levels sell much more than higher cost trim levels. People might like the idea of buying loaded, but their behavior is very different, and the data proves it.

Also, simply because this trim level can get up to $28k, doesn't mean the MS3 will be above that unless you're talking about adding in the technology options that the last gen didn't have. Same technology, new generation, should be just about the same price.
I agree. The BIG majority of Mazda3 sales will be in the lower and mid-level trims.
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I agree. The BIG majority of Mazda3 sales will be in the lower and mid-level trims.
I would feel sorry for the poor bastard that bought the $30k version...hahahaha All kidding aside, the new version better drive WAAAAAAAY better than that current version to warrant this price. The current version drives like garbage compared to other $30k vehicles out there (i.e. G25, Accord, GTI)
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I would feel sorry for the poor bastard that bought the $30k version...hahahaha All kidding aside, the new version better drive WAAAAAAAY better than that current version to warrant this price. The current version drives like garbage compared to other $30k vehicles out there (i.e. G25, Accord, GTI)
That would be me. I love the check those options
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My wife will be getting a fully loaded one too.. Especially when you consider this car has so many features like

Adaptive headlights
headsup nav display
emergency collision detection w/ autobraking

I don't even think you can get those features on the new IS can you?
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