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Old May 20, 2013 | 05:54 AM
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The hood ornament harkens back to the embellished radiator caps of decades ago. The flat faced grille of the Rolls Royce Phantom likewise mimics the exposed radiators upon which those caps would reside. It makes sense on the Rolls Royce as it has loads of retro styling elements. It is still possible to order a Mercedes-Benz E-Class or S-Class with a hood ornament, but I believe those are the only mainstream models which still make it available.

The hood ornament and flat-faced grilles came to symbolise "old" in the automotive world. Vehicles with older demographics sported these styling elements in to the 1980's. Hood ornaments and grilles themselves became smaller or non-existent in the 1990's in response to this trend. This also fit with the "aero" trend. Grilles were revived as branding elements in the 2000's. Now we have vehicles with giant corporate-branded grilles, but still, without hood ornaments. I think government fuel economy regulations may mean we'll never see a new surge of hood ornaments as they would disrupt air flow.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by trexlexus
The rest of your post makes sense, but sometimes, it looks like Infiniti is comfortable playing in that "near" Top Level arena. To me, they seem kinda like Acura. Japan's big 3 luxuries have sort of played as a team to allow Lexus to take the spot as alpha. Not sure if there is some secret plan to do that in the Japanese government, but it is very coincidental that BOTH Inf/Acu don't have flagships and do not offer a "full lineup" like Lexus/MB/BMW. There are glaring holes in the other Japanese brands.

With the powerful backing of Honda/Nissan, you would think they would've done something by now.

Japan's Lexus takes on USA's Cadillac and Europe's BMW/MB/Audi/Jag
Japan's Acura/Infiniti fights USA's Buick/Lincoln, and Europe's Volvo

Very strategic competition if looked at that way.

p.s. The talks about Infiniti's planned flagship are very interesting...

there is no such strategic plan, Nissan is not even Japanese anymore, it is owned by Renault.

Simply put, Acura and Infiniti are sales failures. I guess that puts them into that lower list :-).
Nissan/Renault have huge plans for Infiniti, they are just not happening... it is not enough to simply say you want to be #1... Ghosn and Lutz do/did a lot of promises and PR campaigns.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
Ghosn and Lutz do/did a lot of promises and PR campaigns.
in fairness to lutz, plans he put in place for gm are bearing fruit, particularly cadillac.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
Simply put, Acura and Infiniti are sales failures. I guess that puts them into that lower list :-).
Factor out the Lexus ES and Lexus RX, and all off sudden Lexus is a sales failure as well.

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Old May 20, 2013 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by GRPFAN
Weren't they having a lot of trouble with those hood ornaments being stolen and a big insurance claim also??
Yes, that was (and still is) a common teenage prank. But a lot of owners liked the ornaments (still do), and, despite vandalism (which can happen with any car, as the number of keying-incidents prove). I don't see the need for them to have been dropped, except maybe for pedestrian-impact standards. And putting them on a spring-loaded support solved at least part of that problem.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
in fairness to lutz, plans he put in place for gm are bearing fruit, particularly cadillac.
Lutz was one of those unusual auto-execs who was not only concerned about buisness/sales and profits, but also the design of the actual vehicles that his company was producing. In short, he was a car guy, not just a buisnessman.

Interesting, though, that you mentioned Cadillac. I remember that when Lutz first came to GM, he was given a Chauffeur-driven Cadillac DeVille at company expense. After sampling the Buick Lucerne and its comfort, even though it was not what one would call an ''enthusiast car", he decided to dump the chauffer-driven Caddy, take home a Lucerne, and use it as his daily-driver, driving it himself.

Today, Lutz does a question-and-answer column in some of the auto-mags.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
Ghosn and Lutz do/did a lot of promises and PR campaigns.
IMO, apples and oranges. Ghosn seems to be more concerned with cost-cutting, profits, and the bottom-line. Lutz not only is a buisnessman but a car guy as well....see my posts above.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Outrage
The hood ornament harkens back to the embellished radiator caps of decades ago. .
How about a hood ornament of bull horns on your Lexus for all you Texas's boys.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GRPFAN
How about a hood ornament of bull horns on your Lexus for all you Texas's boys.
Though I'm sure that someone in this forum will correct me if I'm wrong, I don't remember a production Lexus vehicle ever having a factory ornament. Some, though, were available in the aftermarket for those who wanted to customize.


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Old May 20, 2013 | 10:44 AM
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Sorry I did not read all the posts in this thread so if this was mentioned please forgive me but these days the manufacturers have actually become much more efficient than they have been in the past. Back in the mid to late 50s all through the 60s the car companies were so competitive that they redesigned some models every year and offered most of their cars with any option the factory had. Now you can usually only get packages and that is it.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Factor out the Lexus ES and Lexus RX, and all off sudden Lexus is a sales failure as well.
Same could be said about MB if you take away the C & E sales ,or BMW if you take away the 3 and 5 sales. Usually taking away the top sellers from a brand can make that brands sales look bad
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Old May 20, 2013 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by BernieIS
Now you can usually only get packages and that is it.
The Japanese are the best at this, there is no doubt about it.
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Old May 22, 2013 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
The Japanese are the best at this, there is no doubt about it.
Honda, back in the 1980s, pretty much started the buisness of marketing by package/trim-level, not with single-options.
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