Cracking Engine Blocks on 2006, 2007 and a select few 2008 Honda Civic's (non Si)
04-03-10, 05:48 AM
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Cracking Engine Blocks on 2006, 2007 and a select few 2008 Honda Civic's (non Si)
Wow...this has me n-n-n-n-ervous.
8thcivic.com R18A1 Engine Blocks Cracking. Honda TSB 08-044.
CarComplaints.com, Honda Civic (non Si) Engine Blocks Cracking!!
I have the TSB from Honda of America in .pdf Format. Anyone know how to attach a PDF to a post?
I am posting this so any Clublexus members who have in their household or know someone who does have a 2006-2008 Honda Civic (EX, LX, DX, coupe or sedan, does not matter) can be made aware of the problem. As of right now it is only a TSB and as such, if it happens and you are out of warranty, you are SOL.
Great...this is making My wife and I SERIOUSLY consider trading in. Because we are still under a warranty, monetarily it doesnt matter. But the thought of driving a car that could literally leave us stranded, at any moment without warning makes me sick to my stomach. Whats worse is Honda knows about it, and they arent even making an attempt to issue a recall. A few people I know have had the issue...one was 10,000 miles out of warranty. Honda offered to pay for $500 of the repair. The total cost of the repair came to $4,259. She now has a 3800lb paperweight that she owes $10,000 on, and cannot afford to fix. She checked with her Insurance, they wont cover it. The average Civic owner doesnt have that much money just sitting around. I know I certainly dont.
Honda, I understand people make mistakes, and things happen. But at the very least, Own up and fix the problem. Reading all of those posts about it, it is clear to me there is no pattern, and this could happen at any time, any mileage. You dont have to issue a recall for it, Simply warranty this repair for a reasonable about of time, say 10/250,000. Thats more than reasonable and would make me, and MANY other Honda Civic owners, happy.
EDIT: I figured out how to attach a PDF. Here is the Official TSB From Honda.
8thcivic.com R18A1 Engine Blocks Cracking. Honda TSB 08-044.
CarComplaints.com, Honda Civic (non Si) Engine Blocks Cracking!!
I have the TSB from Honda of America in .pdf Format. Anyone know how to attach a PDF to a post?
I am posting this so any Clublexus members who have in their household or know someone who does have a 2006-2008 Honda Civic (EX, LX, DX, coupe or sedan, does not matter) can be made aware of the problem. As of right now it is only a TSB and as such, if it happens and you are out of warranty, you are SOL.
Originally Posted by HOA TSB 08-044
Engine Overheats or Leaks Coolant
SYMPTOM
The engine is leaking coolant and may be overheating.
PROBABLE CAUSE
The engine block is cracking at the coolant passages.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Install a new engine block assembly.
SYMPTOM
The engine is leaking coolant and may be overheating.
PROBABLE CAUSE
The engine block is cracking at the coolant passages.
CORRECTIVE ACTION
Install a new engine block assembly.
Originally Posted by HOA TSB a08-044
Any repair performed after warranty
expiration may be eligible for goodwill consideration by
the District Parts and Service Manager or your Zone
Office, depending on how far out of warranty said vehicle is at the time of diagnosis. You must request consideration, and get a
decision, before starting work.
expiration may be eligible for goodwill consideration by
the District Parts and Service Manager or your Zone
Office, depending on how far out of warranty said vehicle is at the time of diagnosis. You must request consideration, and get a
decision, before starting work.
Honda, I understand people make mistakes, and things happen. But at the very least, Own up and fix the problem. Reading all of those posts about it, it is clear to me there is no pattern, and this could happen at any time, any mileage. You dont have to issue a recall for it, Simply warranty this repair for a reasonable about of time, say 10/250,000. Thats more than reasonable and would make me, and MANY other Honda Civic owners, happy.
EDIT: I figured out how to attach a PDF. Here is the Official TSB From Honda.
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04-03-10, 11:57 AM
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What is happening to the Japanese??????? First Toyota and now engine blocks cracking on what some would consider one of the most reliable vehicles on the road
04-03-10, 12:53 PM
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yikes.. i had 06 LX and 07 SI.. my goodness.. don't have it anymore, but man this is serious business.
04-03-10, 01:14 PM
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Honda should definitely fix it under goodwill, but it's going to be hard to prove whether the owner drove aggressively or not. This is the first time I've heard of the issue, but now is not the time to be having problems whether you're Toyota, Honda, Ford, etc.
Honda should definitely fix it under goodwill, but it's going to be hard to prove whether the owner drove aggressively or not. This is the first time I've heard of the issue, but now is not the time to be having problems whether you're Toyota, Honda, Ford, etc.
04-03-10, 01:34 PM
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my wifes TL had a broken engine mount that occurred after the warranty expired and they did the entire job under good will knowing that that ish was not normal
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04-03-10, 02:53 PM
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Thousands of VINs are listed in the TSB? Unbelievable 
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I have suspected that this could turn out to be a problem for years, and now it looks like it is the case. Honda engines get hot quite quickly, and I've witnessed overheating Honda engines on a variety of models dating back to the early 1990s.
While overheating is not the main cause of the problem, it's one of the effects happening due to the problem, and the overheating obviously makes things worse.
From the sounds of it, on some of these engine blocks, the problem is that the aluminum is too porous, causing the cracks.
Despite the severity and importance of this issue, it likely won't get a lot of coverage on the internet, let alone the media just because it's not "cool" to criticize Honda.
Karma is coming back to Honda.
Honda's reputation for bulletproof engines is now out the window.
.I have suspected that this could turn out to be a problem for years, and now it looks like it is the case. Honda engines get hot quite quickly, and I've witnessed overheating Honda engines on a variety of models dating back to the early 1990s.
While overheating is not the main cause of the problem, it's one of the effects happening due to the problem, and the overheating obviously makes things worse.
From the sounds of it, on some of these engine blocks, the problem is that the aluminum is too porous, causing the cracks.
Despite the severity and importance of this issue, it likely won't get a lot of coverage on the internet, let alone the media just because it's not "cool" to criticize Honda
.Honda haters are rejoicing
Honda should definitely fix it under goodwill, but it's going to be hard to prove whether the owner drove aggressively or not. This is the first time I've heard of the issue, but now is not the time to be having problems whether you're Toyota, Honda, Ford, etc.
Honda should definitely fix it under goodwill, but it's going to be hard to prove whether the owner drove aggressively or not. This is the first time I've heard of the issue, but now is not the time to be having problems whether you're Toyota, Honda, Ford, etc.
Honda's reputation for bulletproof engines is now out the window.
04-03-10, 03:05 PM
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Thousands of VINs are listed in the TSB? Unbelievable .
I have suspected that this could turn out to be a problem for years, and now it looks like it is the case. Honda engines get hot quite quickly, and I've witnessed overheating Honda engines on a variety of models dating back to the early 1990s.
While overheating is not the main cause of the problem, it's one of the effects happening due to the problem, and the overheating obviously makes things worse.
From the sounds of it, on some of these engine blocks, the problem is that the aluminum is too porous, causing the cracks.
Despite the severity and importance of this issue, it likely won't get a lot of coverage on the internet, let alone the media just because it's not "cool" to criticize Honda.
Karma is coming back to Honda.
Honda's reputation for bulletproof engines is now out the window.
.I have suspected that this could turn out to be a problem for years, and now it looks like it is the case. Honda engines get hot quite quickly, and I've witnessed overheating Honda engines on a variety of models dating back to the early 1990s.
While overheating is not the main cause of the problem, it's one of the effects happening due to the problem, and the overheating obviously makes things worse.
From the sounds of it, on some of these engine blocks, the problem is that the aluminum is too porous, causing the cracks.
Despite the severity and importance of this issue, it likely won't get a lot of coverage on the internet, let alone the media just because it's not "cool" to criticize Honda
.Karma is coming back to Honda.
Honda's reputation for bulletproof engines is now out the window.
Applies To: 2006–07 Civic – ALL
04-03-10, 04:03 PM
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Out of those 'thousands' of VIN listed, how many of them actually have their engine blocked cracked into pieces? We don't have enough statistics to tell us how big this issue really is. Just because the VINs are listed doesn't mean they're all affected. Take the Tundra's camshaft for example. Toyota built 100,000 of the 5.7L engines and only 20 people experienced camshaft failure, even though they all used the same parts.
This may or may not be as widespread as we thought. Honda may be playing it safe(r) by listing all the potentially affected engines. Until we get some real numbers, lets not assume Honda engines are no longer bulletproof. Almost every engine has some sort of problem, especially newly created (then) engines like the R18.
This may or may not be as widespread as we thought. Honda may be playing it safe(r) by listing all the potentially affected engines. Until we get some real numbers, lets not assume Honda engines are no longer bulletproof. Almost every engine has some sort of problem, especially newly created (then) engines like the R18.
04-03-10, 04:15 PM
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Out of those 'thousands' of VIN listed, how many of them actually have their engine blocked cracked into pieces? We don't have enough statistics to tell us how big this issue really is. Just because the VINs are listed doesn't mean they're all affected. Take the Tundra's camshaft for example. Toyota built 100,000 of the 5.7L engines and only 20 people experienced camshaft failure, even though they all used the same parts.
This may or may not be as widespread as we thought. Honda may be playing it safe(r) by listing all the potentially affected engines. Until we get some real numbers, lets not assume Honda engines are no longer bulletproof. Almost every engine has some sort of problem, especially newly created (then) engines like the R18.
This may or may not be as widespread as we thought. Honda may be playing it safe(r) by listing all the potentially affected engines. Until we get some real numbers, lets not assume Honda engines are no longer bulletproof. Almost every engine has some sort of problem, especially newly created (then) engines like the R18.
Replacing blocks or entire engine assemblies is not cheap. Honda would not simply list VINs that are unaffected.
The thousands of VINs listed means that the potential for this problem exists in thousands of engines. In other words, thousands of engines have this defect, which may end up cracking the block.
Toyota did not recall thousands of Tundra engines, or even list thousands of TSBs. 20 faulty crankshafts is nothing compared to potentially thousands of cracking Honda blocks. With the Toyota crankshaft issue, it wasn't the "same" parts technically. There was a manufacturing defect with a batch of crankshafts that Toyota quickly caught and corrected. It was the same part, but manufactured in a different, and defective manner.
Here it seems there was a manufacturing defect with the Honda blocks.
It might be the same part, but a manufacturing defect means it was manufactured differently than other blocks that are not affected.
Toyota has never had an issue where they had a TSB listing thousands of VINs for cracked engine blocks. This is such a serious and fundamental problem that is does call into question the reputation of Honda's engines.
Defective or cracked engine blocks are a fact of life, as nobody can perfectly manufacture engines all the time. The difference is, these defects SHOULD HAVE been caught at the factory, and these engines should have never gone into production cars.
04-03-10, 05:13 PM
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Why would the TSB list VINs that are unaffected? Even if it is a precautionary measure, that means those engines have a defect which could potentially cause problems.
Replacing blocks or entire engine assemblies is not cheap. Honda would not simply list VINs that are unaffected.
The thousands of VINs listed means that the potential for this problem exists in thousands of engines. In other words, thousands of engines have this defect, which may end up cracking the block.
Replacing blocks or entire engine assemblies is not cheap. Honda would not simply list VINs that are unaffected.
The thousands of VINs listed means that the potential for this problem exists in thousands of engines. In other words, thousands of engines have this defect, which may end up cracking the block.
Do you have any concrete numbers as to how many engines were affected by this crack? Out of the insane numbers of Civic engines (bread and butter car), how many of them have this issue? You, me, nor anyone else here knows. It's too early to tell how widespread this issue is.
Toyota did not recall thousands of Tundra engines, or even list thousands of TSBs. 20 faulty crankshafts is nothing compared to potentially thousands of cracking Honda blocks. With the Toyota crankshaft issue, it wasn't the "same" parts technically. There was a manufacturing defect with a batch of crankshafts that Toyota quickly caught and corrected. It was the same part, but manufactured in a different, and defective manner.
Here it seems there was a manufacturing defect with the Honda blocks.
It might be the same part, but a manufacturing defect means it was manufactured differently than other blocks that are not affected.
Here it seems there was a manufacturing defect with the Honda blocks.
It might be the same part, but a manufacturing defect means it was manufactured differently than other blocks that are not affected.
Toyota has never had an issue where they had a TSB listing thousands of VINs for cracked engine blocks. This is such a serious and fundamental problem that is does call into question the reputation of Honda's engines.
Defective or cracked engine blocks are a fact of life, as nobody can perfectly manufacture engines all the time. The difference is, these defects SHOULD HAVE been caught at the factory, and these engines should have never gone into production cars.
Defective or cracked engine blocks are a fact of life, as nobody can perfectly manufacture engines all the time. The difference is, these defects SHOULD HAVE been caught at the factory, and these engines should have never gone into production cars.
That is a load of horse sh|t. A very small numbers of engine (R18A1)affected so far all of the sudden makes Honda's engine questionable? The Lexus IS-series had a fuel line recall (affected a great amount of cars), and that is such a serious and fundamental problem so should we call into question Toyota's ability to make fuel lines? After all, those defects SHOULD HAVE been caught at the factory, and those fuel lines should have never gone into production cars, no?
I'm not going to defend Honda if it turns out that the earlier R18A1s all had have the same problem. Hell screw them if they they don't cover engines are cracked, but it's ridiculous to use this as an opportunity to blast Honda. It's not surprising though..
04-04-10, 01:19 AM
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this would never be "recalled", but usually when something like this happens, they extend warranty... even if there was no extension - yet, they should offer godwill. If they dont, I would complain all the way to the top.