Blackraven

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11304115...e-or-six-years

http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/merc...nevitable.html

Long live AMG V12 BITURBO engines (especially the M279 AMG engine)

and to hell with excessive and non-sensical emission and fuel economy regulations
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Vladi

Ooohkey!

Blackraven

Hehe sorry if I over-reacted.

It's just that the eco-terrorists and over-acting government regulations nag and complain like there's no tomorrow. It's as if they consider any internal-combustion vehicle with eight cylinders or more as EVIL.

As I've said before, if for example a future version of the M5 only comes with a puny four-cylinder engine, then you definitely know who to blame for such madness and stupidity.

Yup the same organizations that have forced Formula 1 to go from V10->V8 and now some puny four cylinder turbo engine

Hoovey689

iTrader: (16)

Amen. Ruining the spirit of automobiling

LexFather

Thank you Mercedes!!!!!!

Harbinger

Audi doesn't seem to have this issue. It has been kicking **** with their V12 TDI since '09 in their Q7, and since everyone is chasing Audi at this point, why not extend the life of the v12 by offering a diesel variant stateside?
"The V12 generates 368 kW (500 hp) of power and 1,000 Nm (757.56 lb-ft) of torque from six liters of displacement...On average, it requires just 11.9 liters of fuel per 100 km (19.77 mpg)... the subtle engine sound takes on a voluminous, strong note when the throttle is open"
http://jalopnik.com/362724/2009-audi...-diesel-engine


AUDI Q7 6.0 V12 TDI 6AT (500 HP) (2009 - Present)
Cylinders: V12
Displacement: 5934 cm3
Fuel: Diesel
Fuel System: Direct Injection
Gross Weight 7720 lbs OR 3502 kg

Power
368 KW @ 3750 RPM
500 HP @ 3750 RPM
493 BHP @ 3750 RPM

Torque
738 lb-ft @ 1750-3250 RPM
1000 Nm @ 1750-3250 RPM

Fuel consumption
City 15.8 mpg US OR 14.9 L/100Km
Highway 25.3 mpg US OR 9.3 L/100Km
Combined 20.8 mpg US OR 11.3 L/100Km

Transmission
Drive Type All Wheel Drive

Gearbox
6-speed, Automatic



2013 Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG

Engine Type: 6.0L V12
Weight: 5082 lbs
Fuel Type: Gas
Direct Injection: No

Power: 621 hp @ 4800 rpm
Torque: 738 lb-ft @ 2000-4000 rpm

Highway Fuel Economy: 19 mpg
City Fuel Economy: 12 mpg

Rear Wheel Drive

Transmission: 5-Speed Automatic

Considering that the Q7 gives up almost 2700lbs to the S65 as well as the additional parasitic losses of AWD over RWD, a comparable V12 diesel in the current S65 chassis would OUTPERFORM their current gasoline V12 in every area except raw horsepower. However I'm sure that this would be forgiven a with the boost in overall performance, and fuel economy(which would help the company as a whole, as it is unlikely the target audience gives a damn about fuel economy). And this is based on 5-6 year old tech. So how is his argument of hybrid > diesel valid again??

I8ABMR

Its a dying breed. Sad....

Blackraven

Really sad.

Hence, why I blame extreme eco-terrorist mentality for this. They've 'infiltrated' the way governments think and have brainwashed several politicians and lawmakers by spreading their propaganda.........

Sigh.......

With that said, I really wished that Greepeace and its members would become a dying breed

LexFather

But have they? The V-12 in the S-class only came around in the 1990s, it hasn't been offered that long. Today we have more 500hp cars than ever, more than just a few years ago.

With turbos and S/Cs they make V-8s and V-10s super powerful, The S63/65 make the same power as a V-12 S 600.

Its not just V-12s, Lexus sold less than 100 V-8 hybrid LS 600h L's last year.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

they're not related. the ls600 is a truly amazing feat of engineering but a relatively tiny trunk in a huge car, not amazing power for such a heavy vehicle, make it only appealing to few people. if money were no object though, i'd have one, as a great QUIET cruiser.

a v12 has a unique sound and responsiveness over other engines, just like no v6 every really replaces a v8, except on paper. however, with so many advances in all engines, a v12 is certainly a luxury only few will appreciate and want (and can afford).

Hoovey689

iTrader: (16)

LS600hL is a land yacht. Super heavy with that hybrid tech and AWD. Honestly it's acceleration is underwhelming and does nothing for me. I do love that matte bamboo trim though