2014 Corolla official pics!
06-03-13, 05:59 AM
#181
Technology is improving all the time... Autobild rated latest GS450h LEDs very good while old ones were rated as bad.
But it is pretty silly to question Toyota when they do some big new tech, we know how Toyota is - they dont make unsafe choices. If this was KIA, everyone would be ecstatic on how it is better than Lexus :-).
06-03-13, 06:12 AM
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Wonder how much the option costs. And wonder why it only has one LED bulb on each side. All previous Toyota/Lexus models with LED headlights had at least two LED bulbs on each side to ensure proper breadth of illumination.With headlights, you want maximum throw, which is accomplished by having a small source of light. With multiple less powerful LEDs you might have the same overall amount of lumen, but shorter throw. Think of it as one 100w bulb vs 100 bulbs that are 1w. This is precisely why early Lexus LED lights didn't compare favorably to HIDs, and certain Audi LED headlights with a crapload of leds just plain out suck. Same deal with Acura jewel lights, although they are doing some gimmics with optics where each LED is only covering a narrow angle, so they might actually work well.
06-03-13, 06:15 AM
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WTF do you mean by hate? I was only asking a simple technical question. It's a fact that all LEDs so far have much narrower breadth of illumination than HIDs and halogens, and that's why all LED headlights in all cars from all automakers so far have to have more than one LED bulb on each side for safety reasons. Unless there's a breakthrough in LED technologies it is more than reasonable to question how the Corolla manages to have just one LED on each side while maintaining enough breadth of illumination to be considered safe for night driving.
06-03-13, 02:16 PM
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You've had a pattern of posts hating on Toyota, so one could be forgiven for assuming you were hating here too.
Good of you to clarify yourself though.
As for the technical aspects, as usual, you are jumping to conclusions without having all the facts. Maybe it's a further development of LED technology? Maybe there is something we don't know yet? Do you really think Toyota made a flawed design on purpose, and that some random poster on the internet (you) discovered Toyota's glaring mistake?
Continually making conclusions without having all relevant information is just plain silly.
Good of you to clarify yourself though.
As for the technical aspects, as usual, you are jumping to conclusions without having all the facts. Maybe it's a further development of LED technology? Maybe there is something we don't know yet? Do you really think Toyota made a flawed design on purpose, and that some random poster on the internet (you) discovered Toyota's glaring mistake?
Continually making conclusions without having all relevant information is just plain silly.
Here's what I said:
"And wonder why it only has one LED bulb on each side. All previous Toyota/Lexus models with LED headlights had at least two LED bulbs on each side to ensure proper breadth of illumination."
I asked only because I've never seen anything like that before. I'm an avid Toyota supporter and the only reason I'm asking questions is because this is something new to me and I'd like to know more details about it. Stop being so f*king paranoid about everything asked about anything Toyota.
It's people like you who label anyone asking questions as "haters" that are really the reasons why "haters" exist.WTF? I never implied that. I was only asking about how the feat of using one LED is accomplished. Of course being a production car it is going to be safe. I've just never seen this done before that's why I asked. Chill.
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06-03-13, 02:47 PM
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06-03-13, 02:56 PM
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Its a Corolla, Toyota is not going to throw about millions of customers to make 300 people on the internet who ain't buying one anyway happy. Those other LEDs are mostly DRL's though..I know very well about them
Exactly. It definitely looks like the North American Corolla will have mini-Avalon styling. Then I suspect the Camry mid-cycle refresh will make it look closer to the Avalon as well, likely with a nice interior upgrade.
Yes, because the white car is the overseas (ASEAN market) Corolla, and the blue car is the North American Corolla.
No it doesn't.
I see well-chiseled fender flares, a very strong shoulder line, and nice side skirt detailing which transitions into the rear bumper detailing.
I'm glad Toyota hasn't gone crazy with side creases, because that makes the cars look more elegant and age better. I'm sick of all these "trend of the day" designs these days with tons of creases and character lines on the sides, that makes it look like the car got into an accident right at the factory, or it makes it look like a drunk Korean with no sense of proportions or elegance designed it.
I'm very sad to see BMW and Benz jumping on the "crazy side crease" bandwagon. Thankfully at least Porsche and Audi are still keeping it elegant on the German side, and Lexus is keeping it elegant among the Japanese.
Yes, because the white car is the overseas (ASEAN market) Corolla, and the blue car is the North American Corolla.
No it doesn't.
I see well-chiseled fender flares, a very strong shoulder line, and nice side skirt detailing which transitions into the rear bumper detailing.
I'm glad Toyota hasn't gone crazy with side creases, because that makes the cars look more elegant and age better. I'm sick of all these "trend of the day" designs these days with tons of creases and character lines on the sides, that makes it look like the car got into an accident right at the factory, or it makes it look like a drunk Korean with no sense of proportions or elegance designed it.
I'm very sad to see BMW and Benz jumping on the "crazy side crease" bandwagon. Thankfully at least Porsche and Audi are still keeping it elegant on the German side, and Lexus is keeping it elegant among the Japanese.
06-03-13, 03:01 PM
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ydooby - i think you dont understand that they combine several small led's into single projector housing.... there is no single led inside. it is just like in that CLS shot just without all other led's they have so it can lit up like xmas tree.
06-03-13, 03:04 PM
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Looks like one single bulb to me, not multiple small LEDs:
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06-03-13, 04:03 PM
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I may be ignorant about the new LED technology, but I don't think my statement itself was ignorant. All the past LED headlight implementations required at least two bulbs on each side precisely because what you just said, that "single high power LED is exactly what you want to ensure proper breadth of illumination", was not true, as witnessed in even the newer Audi and Acura models like you mentioned later.Actually the new CLS accomplishes the feat with tighter-clustered small LEDs.
Of course I know that, but please compare the CLS pic with the Corolla pic and you'll see why I have the question, as there's very clearly a single bulb in the Corolla pic, unlike the multiple LEDs that can be clearly seen in the CLS's housing.
Looks like one single bulb to me, not multiple small LEDs:
Looks like one single bulb to me, not multiple small LEDs:
The CLS high and low beams are single projector, which is way better for headlights than multiple projector solutions. The eight LEDs that are mentioned in the picture are mostly likely on the same board.
What you see on the toyota photo is the LED board, not bulb, which also likely contains multiple diodes. It is likely the same setup as the CLS.
Of course, we don't know the lumen output of the Corolla vs CLS, but they both managed single projector LED solution that provides adequate light output. Very impressive.
06-03-13, 04:14 PM
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The CLS high and low beams are single projector, which is way better for headlights than multiple projector solutions. The eight LEDs that are mentioned in the picture are mostly likely on the same board.
What you see on the toyota photo is the LED board, not bulb, which also likely contains multiple diodes. It is likely the same setup as the CLS.
Of course, we don't know the lumen output of the Corolla vs CLS, but they both managed single projector LED solution that provides adequate light output. Very impressive.
What you see on the toyota photo is the LED board, not bulb, which also likely contains multiple diodes. It is likely the same setup as the CLS.
Of course, we don't know the lumen output of the Corolla vs CLS, but they both managed single projector LED solution that provides adequate light output. Very impressive.
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06-03-13, 04:42 PM
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^I think its just various optics that direct lights you're seeing in the CLS projector.
In any case, I didn't mean any offense in my original post. Just was trying to explain (perhaps not very clearly) that single projector solution is generally better, at least without employing tricky gimmicks like Acura jewel headlights that aim lights in narrow angle bands.
In any case, I didn't mean any offense in my original post. Just was trying to explain (perhaps not very clearly) that single projector solution is generally better, at least without employing tricky gimmicks like Acura jewel headlights that aim lights in narrow angle bands.
