Govt approves E15 fuel
11-30-12, 10:04 PM
#5
Uh-oh ...
Need to start the search for a place to get regular gas!!!! 
EDIT: There are only FIVE gas in stations in ALL OF CALIFORNIA that sell pure gas... And none of em are near me
"BMW, Chrysler, Nissan, Toyota and VW have said their warranties will not cover fuel-related claims caused by E15. Ford, Honda, Kia, Mercedes-Benz and Volvo have said E15 use will void warranties ... citing potential corrosive damage to fuel lines, gaskets and other engine components"
EDIT: There are only FIVE gas in stations in ALL OF CALIFORNIA that sell pure gas... And none of em are near me
Last edited by GiantsFan; 11-30-12 at 10:52 PM.
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12-01-12, 02:34 AM
#8
I wonder if people can amass a large enough lawsuit when the fuel parts start failing and press it against those who proposed this law. I more than welcome that scenario. It's utter BS that they push this crap on the people without even thinking of the ramifications of it. The last thing I want is even MORE diluted fuel costing the same amount and giving me poorer fuel economy AND damaging my fuel lines/etc.......
12-01-12, 04:29 AM
#9
Congressmen appeasing farmers
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#sectio.../p2p-73515934/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...867106388.html
http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-3203423/
Just keep voting for the ahole democrats
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#sectio.../p2p-73515934/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...867106388.html
http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-3203423/
Just keep voting for the ahole democrats
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12-01-12, 06:41 AM
#10
whatever it takes to get Americans out of their old gas powered dependables and into 0 or low emission expensive battery packs. since the wheels wont fall off our reliable toyotas and hondas anytime soon, they find a way to break them all. it's a win win for the gov body, they need people to buy into the bailout companies they rescued.
ethanol plays havoc in marine applications too. are they going to force us into battery powered boats too?
ethanol plays havoc in marine applications too. are they going to force us into battery powered boats too?
12-01-12, 10:19 AM
#11
Lexus Fanatic
That's part of it. But it also decreases dependence on foreign-oil (but then, so does more domestic-drilling and refineries).
Most newer engines shouldn't have much of a problem with E15. A lot of today's engines (particularly from GM and Chrysler) can handle up to E85 without damage. The problem is going to be with older ones....but we've faced situations like that before, such as when the A/C refrigerant-requirement changed from R-12 to R-134 back in the 1990s, and the old R-12 couldn't be used any more. We got through that....and we'll probably get through this.
Having said that, though, I do agree with the posters who feel that, overall, this is not a smart move on the government's part. The warranty-coverage issue for E-15 is potentially a valid point, but most of the engines that E-15 would actualy harm are probably going to be out of warranty by now anyway, except for some with 10/100 warranties like Kia and Hyundai. .
Originally Posted by Jewcano
I wonder if people can amass a large enough lawsuit when the fuel parts start failing.
Having said that, though, I do agree with the posters who feel that, overall, this is not a smart move on the government's part. The warranty-coverage issue for E-15 is potentially a valid point, but most of the engines that E-15 would actualy harm are probably going to be out of warranty by now anyway, except for some with 10/100 warranties like Kia and Hyundai. .
Last edited by mmarshall; 12-01-12 at 06:22 PM.
12-01-12, 11:27 AM
#13
That's part of it. But it also decreases dependence on foreign-oil (but then, so does more domestic-drilling and refineries).
Most newer engines shouldn't have much of a problem with E15. A lot of today's engines (particularly from GM and Chrysler) can handle up to E85 without damage. The problem is going to be with older ones....but we'be faced situations like that before, such as when the A/C refrigerant-requirement changed from R-12 to R-134 back in the 1990s, and the old R-12 couldn't be used any more. We got through that....and we'll probably get through this.
Having said that, though, I do agree with the posters who feel that, overall, this is not a smart move on the government's part. The warranty-coverage issue for E-15 is potentially a valid point, but most of the engines that E-15 would actualy harm are probably going to be out of warranty by now anyway, except for some with 10/100 warranties like Kia and Hyundai. .
Most newer engines shouldn't have much of a problem with E15. A lot of today's engines (particularly from GM and Chrysler) can handle up to E85 without damage. The problem is going to be with older ones....but we'be faced situations like that before, such as when the A/C refrigerant-requirement changed from R-12 to R-134 back in the 1990s, and the old R-12 couldn't be used any more. We got through that....and we'll probably get through this.
Having said that, though, I do agree with the posters who feel that, overall, this is not a smart move on the government's part. The warranty-coverage issue for E-15 is potentially a valid point, but most of the engines that E-15 would actualy harm are probably going to be out of warranty by now anyway, except for some with 10/100 warranties like Kia and Hyundai. .
AAA research has showed 95% of U.S. consumers had not yet heard of it and only 5% of the cars on the road could handle it without the threat of damage, he said.
Despite EPA assurances, AAA is not convinced. “We are really hearing diverging views” on whether E15 is suitable for the vehicles that got the clearance, Darbelnet said.
Darbelnet drives a 2006 Cadillac. The car would, according to the EPA, be able to handle E15, but any damages are unlikely to be covered by General Motors Co. (US:GM), its manufacturer, he said.
Potential problems with using E15 would not be immediately noticed by drivers, he said. It’s not like fueling a diesel tank with gasoline by mistake, or any other fuel problems that easily and quickly become apparent, he added.
“The damage is done over time. By the time you notice it, it’s too late,” Darbelnet said.
Five car makers — BMW, Chrysler Group LLC, Nissan Motor Co. (US:NSANY)(JP:7201), Toyota Motor Corp. (US:TM) (JP:7203) and Volkswagen AG (DE:VOW) — are on record saying their warranties will not cover fuel-related claims caused by the use of E15, AAA said. Seven automakers — Ford Motor Co. (US:F), Honda Motor Co. (US:HMC)(JP:7267), Hyundai Motor Co. (KR:005380), Kia Motors. Corp. (KR:000270), Mazda Motor Corp. (US:MZDAF) , (JP:7261), Mercedes-Benz and Volvo (SE:VOLVB) — have said E15 may void warranties, it said.
In other words if your car does not specifically say Flexfuel for E85 you better not use it regardless of age.
It also lowers your gas milieage, and as any person knows it takes the same amount of energy to grow the corn as it puts out as ethanol so it does not "save our use of foreign oil" as the brainwashed public is lead to believe. It is a subsidized industry that would never existed if the government would quit meddling in our affairs.
Assuming an average efficiency corn farm and an average efficiency ethanol plant, the total energy used in growing the corn and processing it into ethanol and other products is 81,090 BTUs. Ethanol contains 84,100 BTUs per gallon and the replacement energy value for the other co-products is 27,579 BTUs. Thus, the total energy output is 111,679 BTUs and the net energy gain is 30,589 BTUs for an energy output-input ratio of 1.38:1. [This compares with crude oil which in some parts of the world can still be gotten for an energy output-ratio of more than 100:1. It is the fact that global society can exert little energy in some places to derive a great deal of dinosaur blood which consititutes the momentary energy wealth of the world, even if the price has nothing to do with how valuable the blood really is for the well-being of humankind. The comparison between oil and ethanol is one of comparing the chicken to the cackle.]
Even the brainwashed environmentalist has to admit this is a lose lose proposition and its sucking up our tax money (excuse me increasing our debt)
Not to mention the increase in food cost since 90% of the ethanol comes from corn (most affected are meat prices)
Last edited by sam12345; 12-01-12 at 11:56 AM.
