2014 gs f
09-11-12, 04:50 PM
#47
Trying to stay away from being lame, comparing stock to modded.................then the NA 465 hp GS-F would sounds EXTREMELY lame being down 250 hp compare to a chipped 700 hp E63.
Last edited by BNR34; 09-11-12 at 04:54 PM.
09-11-12, 04:50 PM
#48
In this segment they NEED to be at least in the right ballpark to be taken seriously as a contender. Audi can get away with 420hp in an S6 because they still have an RS line they can dangle the carrot with even if they never make a RS6.
It's all in the badge perception. Lexus has nothing between the F-Sport (no hp gain) and F (M competitor) so to come out with a GS-F with 460hp they'd be laughed out of the stage even before any serious M or AMG buyers pick up a brochure. At 460hp even at thousands less than an M5 only the most devout Lexus performance fans will take one home. And honestly, how many of those exist in the grand scheme of things? It will never be the "dream car", the car that people put up as wallpapers on their work computers dreaming of the day they take delivery of one after the big bonus they'll get if they work their ***** off for the next few years. When you get to this segment it's all about show-offey numbers and the fact their big sedan can go faster than yours, even more so in this segment than the M3/C63/IS-F group. Unless there's a huge weight advantage to the GS-F you'd be able to show off all you want UNTIL the day your neighbor or co-worker drives in with an M5 or E63. That aspect is a huge part of what gives the M5 it's allure. Lexus fans will bark "reliability" all we want but reliability isn't sexy. Reliability doesn't sell posters and most importantly doesn't make people with wads of cash drool in the showroom.
CTS-V owners would laugh. Even C63's with AMG performance packs would be able to heartily chuckle at the GS-F. Lexus needs better numbers or they're doomed to fail in this arena.
It's all in the badge perception. Lexus has nothing between the F-Sport (no hp gain) and F (M competitor) so to come out with a GS-F with 460hp they'd be laughed out of the stage even before any serious M or AMG buyers pick up a brochure. At 460hp even at thousands less than an M5 only the most devout Lexus performance fans will take one home. And honestly, how many of those exist in the grand scheme of things? It will never be the "dream car", the car that people put up as wallpapers on their work computers dreaming of the day they take delivery of one after the big bonus they'll get if they work their ***** off for the next few years. When you get to this segment it's all about show-offey numbers and the fact their big sedan can go faster than yours, even more so in this segment than the M3/C63/IS-F group. Unless there's a huge weight advantage to the GS-F you'd be able to show off all you want UNTIL the day your neighbor or co-worker drives in with an M5 or E63. That aspect is a huge part of what gives the M5 it's allure. Lexus fans will bark "reliability" all we want but reliability isn't sexy. Reliability doesn't sell posters and most importantly doesn't make people with wads of cash drool in the showroom.
CTS-V owners would laugh. Even C63's with AMG performance packs would be able to heartily chuckle at the GS-F. Lexus needs better numbers or they're doomed to fail in this arena.
Who exactly is going to laugh?
I bet GS-F will be closer to the price of well optioned 550i than M5... and heck, looking at GS350 vs 535i, it could drive better too.
09-11-12, 04:53 PM
#49
Lexus Test Driver
All I can say is YES!!!!! Bring it. The 4GS chassis with that level of power and refinement will be phenomenal. If you're listening, Lexus, you have a few serious CL members that would put a deposit down right now on a GSF. Can't wait.
09-11-12, 05:11 PM
#50
The article was saying something about beating M5/E63/RS6, but 461HP is little low comparing with the competition, especially with the rivals has forced induction which offer flat torque curve. But a 461HP from a Lexus besides the LFA is very very impressive!
Hope the GS F will come in with a lot less weight and better handling than the rest. I am getting excited for this!
Wondering how much they would priced it for, 70K?
Hope the GS F will come in with a lot less weight and better handling than the rest. I am getting excited for this!
Wondering how much they would priced it for, 70K?
Last edited by blacksc400; 09-11-12 at 05:16 PM.
09-11-12, 05:11 PM
#51
Who exactly is going to laugh?
I bet GS-F will be closer to the price of well optioned 550i than M5... and heck, looking at GS350 vs 535i, it could drive better too.
09-11-12, 05:56 PM
#53
So it sells that number with its well-respected reputation and numbers. How many GS-F's do you think will sell worldwide with 460hp and no history? I've already seen about 4 or so new M5's on the road and delivery only started a month or so ago I believe. And I don't even drive by the rich areas of my town very much.
Non-conventional Lexus buyers. Car magazines reviewers. Your neighbor with a last-gen M5 that can still spank you without trying that hard.
If their target is the 550i they should name it the GS500 F-Sport instead of a GS-F. As it is with the current rumor, even at thousands off the M5 MSRP it WILL inevitably be compared with the M5 and E63 and the track numbers will be far off both.
Non-conventional Lexus buyers. Car magazines reviewers. Your neighbor with a last-gen M5 that can still spank you without trying that hard.
If their target is the 550i they should name it the GS500 F-Sport instead of a GS-F. As it is with the current rumor, even at thousands off the M5 MSRP it WILL inevitably be compared with the M5 and E63 and the track numbers will be far off both.
I bet if you got M5, you would carry few copies of magazine showing how great your car is... and then you read this and what happens? Mindblown! lol.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...audi-s6-page-4
I have yet to see anyone laughing about S6, and it is 40hp less than GS-F.
As to the people thinking it would be lightweight...maybe compared to M5, but with V8, bigger tires, bigger brakes, it would be at least 4000lbs car.
p.s. M division sells between 14k and 22k cars per year, including SUVs, coupes, sedans, worldwide. Apperantly half of them are in non-rich areas of your town.
09-11-12, 07:38 PM
#57
Lexus Test Driver
Insideline's latest blog entry on long term GS also mentions a GS F possibly coming.
09-11-12, 07:59 PM
#58
In this segment they NEED to be at least in the right ballpark to be taken seriously as a contender. Audi can get away with 420hp in an S6 because they still have an RS line they can dangle the carrot with even if they never make a RS6.
It's all in the badge perception. Lexus has nothing between the F-Sport (no hp gain) and F (M competitor) so to come out with a GS-F with 460hp they'd be laughed out of the stage even before any serious M or AMG buyers pick up a brochure. At 460hp even at thousands less than an M5 only the most devout Lexus performance fans will take one home. And honestly, how many of those exist in the grand scheme of things? It will never be the "dream car", the car that people put up as wallpapers on their work computers dreaming of the day they take delivery of one after the big bonus they'll get if they work their ***** off for the next few years. When you get to this segment it's all about show-offey numbers and the fact their big sedan can go faster than yours, even more so in this segment than the M3/C63/IS-F group. Unless there's a huge weight advantage to the GS-F you'd be able to show off all you want UNTIL the day your neighbor or co-worker drives in with an M5 or E63. That aspect is a huge part of what gives the M5 it's allure. Lexus fans will bark "reliability" all we want but reliability isn't sexy. Reliability doesn't sell posters and most importantly doesn't make people with wads of cash drool in the showroom.
CTS-V owners would laugh. Even C63's with AMG performance packs would be able to heartily chuckle at the GS-F. Lexus needs better numbers or they're doomed to fail in this arena.
It's all in the badge perception. Lexus has nothing between the F-Sport (no hp gain) and F (M competitor) so to come out with a GS-F with 460hp they'd be laughed out of the stage even before any serious M or AMG buyers pick up a brochure. At 460hp even at thousands less than an M5 only the most devout Lexus performance fans will take one home. And honestly, how many of those exist in the grand scheme of things? It will never be the "dream car", the car that people put up as wallpapers on their work computers dreaming of the day they take delivery of one after the big bonus they'll get if they work their ***** off for the next few years. When you get to this segment it's all about show-offey numbers and the fact their big sedan can go faster than yours, even more so in this segment than the M3/C63/IS-F group. Unless there's a huge weight advantage to the GS-F you'd be able to show off all you want UNTIL the day your neighbor or co-worker drives in with an M5 or E63. That aspect is a huge part of what gives the M5 it's allure. Lexus fans will bark "reliability" all we want but reliability isn't sexy. Reliability doesn't sell posters and most importantly doesn't make people with wads of cash drool in the showroom.
CTS-V owners would laugh. Even C63's with AMG performance packs would be able to heartily chuckle at the GS-F. Lexus needs better numbers or they're doomed to fail in this arena.
Because it's only S6 not a RS6.
Last edited by pavelekPL; 09-11-12 at 08:04 PM.
09-11-12, 08:21 PM
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09-11-12, 08:33 PM
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Was there ever any doubt? 
? Personally, I never doubted that a GS F was coming. It was only a question of when.
When you stop with the eye rolls and consistently sarcastic and baiting remarks against Lexus, than maybe the car gods will decide to bestow good karma and debut the GS F just for you 
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? Personally, I never doubted that a GS F was coming. It was only a question of when. .