Second-hand BMWs rank highest in staying off road for repairs
09-10-12, 03:43 AM
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Second-hand BMWs rank highest in staying off road for repairs
http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/news/secon...115700299.html
Not exactly a shocking result here, but still.
It's a wonder why used BMWs have such high resale value. Any price it takes for the badge I suppose... A friend just bought a '09 335i M-sport, it'll be interesting to see how well it holds up.
London, July 22 (ANI): German car brand BMW is among the worst on the second-hand market for developing faults, researchers have revealed.
Its convertible series, aged between four and eight years old, was likely to be off the road longest for repairs at an average of 3.5 days.
In the biggest survey of car reliability in the UK, nearly 40,000 drivers were quizzed on the most common faults which plagued their cars and which models had the worst record for faults.
Among newer models under three years old, the Peugeot 3008 MPV was most likely to be off the road longest at an average of 1.94 days, the Daily Mail reported.
Second was the Land Rover Discovery 4 which was found to be typically off the road for 1.82 days for repairs, followed by the Alfa Romeo Guiletta at 1.37 days.
A sporty BMW 3 series convertible up to three years old was likely to be in the garage for 1.33 days per repair, while a newish Citroen C5 sold since 2009 endured an average 1.29 days off the road.
Among older cars between four and eight years old likely to need repairs, BMW models featured twice.
First was the BMW 3 series convertible at an average of 3.5 days. Second was the Land Rover Discover 3 (average 2.7 days), followed by another BMW, the 3 Series Touring model built between 2004 and 2008. It was off the road for repairs lasting an average 2.6 days.
The most common faults are all relatively minor, such as jammed fuel filler caps, remote keyfob faults and rattles and noises from interior trim.
A total of 86 percent of cars with minor faults are back on the road the same day.
Other minor issues, including problems with headlights, window washers and windscreen wipers, also crop up frequently, but are again quick to fix.
But only a quarter of cars with suspension problems make it back on the road the same day.
Exhaust and emissions control systems keep even more cars off the road for longer with just two thirds repaired within 24 hours.
A BMW spokesman told the Daily Mirror: "We are surprised at this. A big percentage of our customers are repeat buyers which shows they have excellent ownership experiences." (ANI)
Its convertible series, aged between four and eight years old, was likely to be off the road longest for repairs at an average of 3.5 days.
In the biggest survey of car reliability in the UK, nearly 40,000 drivers were quizzed on the most common faults which plagued their cars and which models had the worst record for faults.
Among newer models under three years old, the Peugeot 3008 MPV was most likely to be off the road longest at an average of 1.94 days, the Daily Mail reported.
Second was the Land Rover Discovery 4 which was found to be typically off the road for 1.82 days for repairs, followed by the Alfa Romeo Guiletta at 1.37 days.
A sporty BMW 3 series convertible up to three years old was likely to be in the garage for 1.33 days per repair, while a newish Citroen C5 sold since 2009 endured an average 1.29 days off the road.
Among older cars between four and eight years old likely to need repairs, BMW models featured twice.
First was the BMW 3 series convertible at an average of 3.5 days. Second was the Land Rover Discover 3 (average 2.7 days), followed by another BMW, the 3 Series Touring model built between 2004 and 2008. It was off the road for repairs lasting an average 2.6 days.
The most common faults are all relatively minor, such as jammed fuel filler caps, remote keyfob faults and rattles and noises from interior trim.
A total of 86 percent of cars with minor faults are back on the road the same day.
Other minor issues, including problems with headlights, window washers and windscreen wipers, also crop up frequently, but are again quick to fix.
But only a quarter of cars with suspension problems make it back on the road the same day.
Exhaust and emissions control systems keep even more cars off the road for longer with just two thirds repaired within 24 hours.
A BMW spokesman told the Daily Mirror: "We are surprised at this. A big percentage of our customers are repeat buyers which shows they have excellent ownership experiences." (ANI)
It's a wonder why used BMWs have such high resale value. Any price it takes for the badge I suppose... A friend just bought a '09 335i M-sport, it'll be interesting to see how well it holds up.
09-10-12, 04:00 AM
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A BMW spokesman told the Daily Mirror: "We are surprised at this. A big percentage of our customers are repeat buyers which shows they have excellent ownership experiences." (ANI)
09-10-12, 06:59 AM
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Um, that report is not accurate for the US... in comparison to the other junk they have listed there, sure, no problem, Citroen, Land Rover? Those are some of the worst in terms of reliability period...
Every BMW I see is literally falling apart with tons of repairs needed, but the owners can't afford to have them fixed.
Being in the auto service industry, there is exactly one way I would ever own a BMW, and that would be to buy it new and sell it before the warranty runs out.
BMW's do NOT have high resale value, in comparison to their price when new. Look at a late 90's or early 00's 7 series - what was once a 100k car, can be found for under 10k now... It is probably falling apart, and thats the reason why...
Every BMW I see is literally falling apart with tons of repairs needed, but the owners can't afford to have them fixed.
Being in the auto service industry, there is exactly one way I would ever own a BMW, and that would be to buy it new and sell it before the warranty runs out.
BMW's do NOT have high resale value, in comparison to their price when new. Look at a late 90's or early 00's 7 series - what was once a 100k car, can be found for under 10k now... It is probably falling apart, and thats the reason why...
09-10-12, 08:29 AM
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A BMW spokesman told the Daily Mirror: "We are surprised at this. A big percentage of our customers are repeat buyers which shows they have excellent ownership experiences." (ANI) [/B]
I will also lease a BMW....... but will not purchase it. Since they give you a loaner, I don't care if it stay at dealer service for day or week.
09-10-12, 08:45 AM
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It's a wonder why used BMWs have such high resale value.
What does surprise me some, though, is BMW ranking lower than Land Rover in second-hand reliability.
09-10-12, 08:47 AM
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And people still buy them up 
People have different priorities and this isn't some "shock" lol. Clearly tons of people will put up with the cost as they are just attracted to the brand. More power to BMW
I know tons of BMW owners that have high repair costs and yet are very happy with their cars when they do get to drive them
People have different priorities and this isn't some "shock" lol. Clearly tons of people will put up with the cost as they are just attracted to the brand. More power to BMW I know tons of BMW owners that have high repair costs and yet are very happy with their cars when they do get to drive them
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09-10-12, 08:49 AM
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That may be true to some extent, but as I replied just above, the hype these cars get in the enthusiast press undoubtedly keeps their residual-value above that where it would otherwise be.
09-10-12, 09:12 AM
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Bimmers are fun to drive- when they can be driven. But as an owner, I like knowing that my cars are in my garage and not at a dealer's or some auto shop. This article wasn't surprising at all. If people are fine to buy into the hype and purchase cars knowing they won't last, then that's fine by me. They can afford the higher priced vehicles, so they should be able to afford the repairs and time spend in the shop.
09-10-12, 09:14 AM
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this is dead on and exactly why i will never own a BMW, despite the classiness and the power.
i have plenty of friends who are always complaining their BMW is having countless problems. that and i have SO MUCH friends and family getting rid of their BMW's when warranties up because they know problems are coming.
IMO, BMW are for wealthy people who can afford the car (along with warranty), have it serviced by BMW and when the warranty is out, sell it or trade it in for a newer BMW. Hell, check out the BMW forums, there are countless people parting out semi-new cars so they can return it to stock and sell it. Me personally, I like my bullet proof 2JZ that can easily go for 300,000 miles
i have plenty of friends who are always complaining their BMW is having countless problems. that and i have SO MUCH friends and family getting rid of their BMW's when warranties up because they know problems are coming.
IMO, BMW are for wealthy people who can afford the car (along with warranty), have it serviced by BMW and when the warranty is out, sell it or trade it in for a newer BMW. Hell, check out the BMW forums, there are countless people parting out semi-new cars so they can return it to stock and sell it. Me personally, I like my bullet proof 2JZ that can easily go for 300,000 miles
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09-10-12, 09:16 AM
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BMW also had an attractive lease-program, for years, which allowed owners to get into new BMWs for a reasonable monthly-payment, and then dump them before the warranties ran out. In fact, there were several threads in CAR CHAT about that.
09-10-12, 09:47 AM
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Toyota's do NOT have high resale value, in comparison to their price when new. Look at a late 90's or early 00's Camry - what was once a 33k car, can be found for 3-4k now... It is probably falling apart, and thats the reason why...
Or to give you a real-world beginning-to-end counter example, I bought a 2000 323i new for $34,500. Over 12+ years, the necessary non-warranty repairs were: Final Stage Resistor ($76), Crankshaft position sensor ($53), Battery ($91) twice, oil level sensor ($42). I replaced other parts that weren't broken as part of good maintenance ("lifetime" fluids, water pump) or as upgrades (suspension components), but it was remarkably trouble-free. I traded it in last week for $5k, and cars similar to mine but with higher mileage are going for around $6k. KBB says they should be selling mine for around $6400. So 19% of its original value retained, 13 years later--not too shabby if you ask me.
09-10-12, 06:21 PM
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This is quite the strawman. Let me rewrite to illustrate:
The reason that '98 7-series (to pick an example) is worth 90% less than a well-equipped 2013 model is not because it's a BMW, it's because it's 15 years old. 15-year old Toyotas (or Hondas, etc etc) are also worth around 10% of what it would cost to buy a new one.
Or to give you a real-world beginning-to-end counter example, I bought a 2000 323i new for $34,500. Over 12+ years, the necessary non-warranty repairs were: Final Stage Resistor ($76), Crankshaft position sensor ($53), Battery ($91) twice, oil level sensor ($42). I replaced other parts that weren't broken as part of good maintenance ("lifetime" fluids, water pump) or as upgrades (suspension components), but it was remarkably trouble-free. I traded it in last week for $5k, and cars similar to mine but with higher mileage are going for around $6k. KBB says they should be selling mine for around $6400. So 19% of its original value retained, 13 years later--not too shabby if you ask me.
The reason that '98 7-series (to pick an example) is worth 90% less than a well-equipped 2013 model is not because it's a BMW, it's because it's 15 years old. 15-year old Toyotas (or Hondas, etc etc) are also worth around 10% of what it would cost to buy a new one.
Or to give you a real-world beginning-to-end counter example, I bought a 2000 323i new for $34,500. Over 12+ years, the necessary non-warranty repairs were: Final Stage Resistor ($76), Crankshaft position sensor ($53), Battery ($91) twice, oil level sensor ($42). I replaced other parts that weren't broken as part of good maintenance ("lifetime" fluids, water pump) or as upgrades (suspension components), but it was remarkably trouble-free. I traded it in last week for $5k, and cars similar to mine but with higher mileage are going for around $6k. KBB says they should be selling mine for around $6400. So 19% of its original value retained, 13 years later--not too shabby if you ask me.
You are talking about percentages, I am talking about raw dollars. Sure, if the two cars don't cost the same, it is definitely hard to compare this way, but I was able to find a decent example:
2000 Lexus LS400, 120k miles - new 54k, now, 13,600
2000 BMW 540i, 120k miles - new 53k, now, 9,100...
And, I guarantee fewer issues with the Lexus, I don't think anyone here, or on the BMW forums even would argue that...
09-10-12, 06:43 PM
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I think a lot of this is due to so many bmw's being leased, and people treat them like crap.
Lots of people talk about buying a car off lease but I wouldn't be caught dead buying any car off lease, unless I knew the owner and liked how they drove it!
Lots of people talk about buying a car off lease but I wouldn't be caught dead buying any car off lease, unless I knew the owner and liked how they drove it!