BNR34

iTrader: (1)

haha.....that's my specialty, I am trying to quit. As you can tell I post A LOT less now a days

BNR34

iTrader: (1)

Before everyone flame me, I like to point out I was a hard core GTR enthusiast. I personally owned 2 R34 GTRs, even though the 34s was not as fast as the 35, but similar in nature.

So I am talking from personal experiences, not just observations

Your point is very valid, but the majority of GTR's owners use their car mainly for drag racing, GTR is the #1 drag racer's choice of car. People that love to turn rather have cars like S2000, M3, Cayman, GT3............lighter weight 50/50 balanced NA RWD cars.

My friend who love to turn more then straight line speed just bought a 997 GT3 over a 2010 GTR 2 months ago.

BNR34

iTrader: (1)

Thank you, I am a very knowledgeable and experienced troll

BNR34

iTrader: (1)

Just don't crash

They didn't even have seat belt in those 60s muscle cars

I8ABMR

Right now your comments defy fact

Here is a little article from the boys at Motor Trend magazine proving my point
http://forums.motortrend.com/70/6223...son/index.html

What was the Heyday of automotive performance? The longtime enthusiasts will have you believe the 1960’s with big block 427 Chevys or the awesome Shelby Mustangs.
But a quick look at 0-60 times of over 1800 entries in the 0-60 database from the 60’s to today show us, that we are living in that heyday right now. To further add insult to injury we are doing it with smaller engines pushing more horsepower than the big guns of the 60’s!
To give a better perspective below is a general summary of 0-60 times broken down by decades for reference:

Avg
Era
Samples
Average 0-60

1960's
46 Models
Average 0-60 8.75

1970's
218 samples
Average 0-60 11.39

1980's
468 samples
Average 0-60 10.03

1990's
780 samples
Average 0-60 7.69

2000's
288 samples
Average 0-60 6.17

While the 60’s only 46 samples to go by, many of these entries are the faster muscle cars indicative of the performance era. As the 70’s emissions controls took effect we saw a massive degradation on both 0-60 times, but by the 90’s the industry had come full circle and overall performance had surpassed the muscle car era. The trend also continues into this decade with cars that are overall the fastest we have historically seen.
Through the peak and valleys of the decades, the fastest back then still can stand the test of time, and by even today’s standards are pretty respectable.

Era
Fastest 0 to 60

1960's
0-60 4.60 seconds
1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C

1970's
0-60 5.00 seconds
1979 Porsche 930 Turbo

1980's
0-60 4.70 seconds
1987 Buick Regal GNX

1990's
0-60 3.40 seconds
1999 Porsche 911 GT1

2000's
0-60 3.10 seconds
2002 Mosler MT900 Photon


Even looking at these figures really doesn’t tell the whole picture. Here are few indicators of how far the industry has actually progressed and put thing in perspective:
[Did you know that the legendary that 1970 Corvette 427 can easily be dispatched by a modern 2003 Dodge Neon SRT-4 in a 0-60 match by half a second?
How about a 1988 Ferrari Mondial getting spanked in a 0-60 match by a garden variety Ford Mustang GT V6 driven by a cheerleader?
Think a 1973 Dodge Charger with the huge 440 might fare better? Well a Lexus 2006 IS250 can match it in quite a bit more comfort.

Read more: http://forums.motortrend.com/70/6223...#ixzz1dETTLYKz

BNR34

iTrader: (1)

wow you typed all that? I really annoyed you huh, I am sorry

Sounds like you don't understand what I meant by "rate of acceleration", it is the slope from the graph of speed over time, dv/dt:



Now go compare the angle of that slope between a 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C vs. a 2012 Nissan GTR, they are the same

I8ABMR

I didnt type all of that. It was pasted from motor trend. I have to say I will believe motor trend and their records and modern equipment over your opinion. Any facts to back it up ??? Not trying to flame or argue . I think we may have to agree to disagree. Take a look at the posted 4.6 0-60 time from the magazine compared to the 2.9 second 0-60 for the 2012 GTR. Take care buddy.



btw how did you like the R34s you had? Thats really cool that you got to drive those special beasts

BNR34

iTrader: (1)

Facts? I would have to find the acceleration graph of a 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 S/C vs. a 2012 Nissan GTR, I can't do that quickly.

Or this video would help, the 458 have almost the same 1/4 mile time as a Nissan GTR:

http://youtu.be/hTf0bj7Ho0U

My point was cars didn't get any quicker in the last 50 years, the area that got improved dramatically was efficiency, refinement and safety, but not acceleration at all.

Those old GTRs are insane tuner cars back in the 90s, nothing even came close. I said "tuner" cars because they are EXTREMELY overhyped as a stock car. They are pretty lame stock, run 13s stock, even slower then a stock ISF. They are crazy if you spend $100k+ in mods, but I only got mine up to 450 hp, I had fun, but they are way less cool then people imagine they are.

spwolf

back to the thread topic... Godzilla indeed.

I8ABMR

Just a heads up that that cobra you posted is modified and has 700 hp. Its all over youtube. The GTR is still faster than a bone stock cobra. The facts are the facts. Remember we are talking stock car vs stock car. I have seen modified GTR beat 1000 hp Bugatti Veyrons. STock vs stock the GTR and all modern sports cars in that realm will destroy the stock cobra. STOCK is the key phrase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnR-4...eature=related

BNR34

iTrader: (1)

You are comparing different facts, I was just saying the angle of that slope, you are looking at the entire elapsed times

We are not disagreeing on something, we are comparing apple to orange

I8ABMR

btw that cobra you posted is amazing. A little to raw for me ( and small lol) though.

BNR34

iTrader: (1)

You are right, that was a bad example with a modded Cobra. Only comparing stock to stock is fair.

BNR34

iTrader: (1)

But I think stock 427 Cobra runs 11s............then again how do you classify if a Cobra is stock? They are really mostly a kit car and everyone of them are built differently.

I8ABMR

we are talking an original Cobra vs a bone stock GTR here. Kit cars do not count. To be fair we would have to compare a built GTR to the built kit car. At that point there really is no limit to what mods can be done so compare apples to apples we need to look only at the stock original cobra vs a stock GTR