Nissan Leaf EV
09-08-17, 08:45 PM
#91
Lexus Champion
Never? 
Although petroleum itself hasn't gotten any cleaner, today's cars, thanks to advances like unleaded fuel, catalytic converters, electronic engine controls, advanced combustion techniques, etc.....emit only about 1% of the tailpipe-emissions that they did when first started driving in the late 1960s. Diesel-fuel, also derived from petroleum and crude-oil, has similarly shown remarkable improvements in low-emissions (even independent from the VW/Audi scandal LOL), with today's low-sulfur diesel fuel, advanced engine controls, and urea-solution treatments.
Although petroleum itself hasn't gotten any cleaner, today's cars, thanks to advances like unleaded fuel, catalytic converters, electronic engine controls, advanced combustion techniques, etc.....emit only about 1% of the tailpipe-emissions that they did when first started driving in the late 1960s. Diesel-fuel, also derived from petroleum and crude-oil, has similarly shown remarkable improvements in low-emissions (even independent from the VW/Audi scandal LOL), with today's low-sulfur diesel fuel, advanced engine controls, and urea-solution treatments.
Also the process of turning crude into gasoline is incredibly dirty and energy intensive. Not to mention the geopolitical issues, oil spills.....
09-08-17, 10:10 PM
#92
Lexus Fanatic
Not advocating per se.....I was simply responding to your suggestion that vehicles with petroleum-based fuels would never get cleaner. I pointed out that they HAVE, in fact, been getting cleaner for the last 50 years.
09-09-17, 02:03 AM
#93
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Back to the leaf... it's another step forward to a broader use of electric vehicles but we're still a long way off from wide acceptance except through incentives and punishment against alternatives by governments.
09-09-17, 09:22 AM
#94
Lexus Champion
For example, my Lexus will never get cleaner for as long as I own it. If I buy a Leaf today in 5 years I may very well be fueling it with cleaner sources of energy something that is impossible with a gas burner. Anyway I hope the generation 2 Leaf is very successful.
09-11-17, 04:03 PM
#95
Sigh.
Two thoughts:
(1) Interesting car, but I will never own a vehicle that can't be "re-filled" during a cross-country trip to anywhere in a matter of a few minutes. And I will NOT plug in a car at night; it better have some sort of automatic-charge mechanism.
(2) "Zero-CO2" has morphed into a religion for many and as such can no longer be discussed in polite company, because faith-based beliefs are immune to logical challenge.
Two thoughts:
(1) Interesting car, but I will never own a vehicle that can't be "re-filled" during a cross-country trip to anywhere in a matter of a few minutes. And I will NOT plug in a car at night; it better have some sort of automatic-charge mechanism.
(2) "Zero-CO2" has morphed into a religion for many and as such can no longer be discussed in polite company, because faith-based beliefs are immune to logical challenge.
09-11-17, 06:25 PM
#96
Lexus Champion
An improvement over the previous version of the Leaf, but that car just looked silly, so the bar was pretty low stylistically. With this version there are just so many better options available. The Prius Prime is a better choice.
The only reason Nissan is dangling this car in front of consumers is because they need to move more of those Ford F150 knockoffs which are known as the Titan. That truck gets 15-21 mpg. Even the previous generation Prius looked better than this car.
The only reason Nissan is dangling this car in front of consumers is because they need to move more of those Ford F150 knockoffs which are known as the Titan. That truck gets 15-21 mpg. Even the previous generation Prius looked better than this car.
09-12-17, 07:11 AM
#98
Lexus Champion
do you drive cross-country a lot? Spirit and Frontier airlines are cheaper than driving - I just flew Houston to Denver for $27, crazy prices! ....and LOL @ not charging at night, there's nothing wrong with doing that and oh, the rates are cheaper! but whatever floats your boat.
09-12-17, 07:28 AM
#99
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by bagwell
do you drive cross-country a lot? Spirit and Frontier airlines are cheaper than driving - I just flew Houston to Denver for $27, crazy prices! ....and LOL @ not charging at night, there's nothing wrong with doing that and oh, the rates are cheaper! but whatever floats your boat.
Seriously, most horrific flight I've ever had. Barely even humane.
09-12-17, 11:38 AM
#100
Lexus Fanatic
09-12-17, 04:07 PM
#102
Lexus Champion
Yep......cram in more and more seats, and try and book more and more ticket-paying passengers....make every last dime on the flight they possibly can. Stuff the passengers all in like sardines....to the point where, with the load, the wings and engines can barely lift the planes off the runway. Never mind the Leaf......even driving the Versa is better than that.
....but to each their own - I'd rather fly 2 hours ANYDAY rather than drive 18 boring hours.
- paid for big seats up front a couple times, just like other airlines first class seats but no food
- aisle seats couple of times
- had an entire row to myself one time too.
Of course I'm not your typical big fat overweight american either
- I'm 6 ft 175lbs, so no issue for me.
Last edited by bagwell; 09-12-17 at 04:11 PM.
09-12-17, 04:29 PM
#103
Lexus Fanatic
Of course I'm not your typical big fat overweight american either - I'm 6 ft 175lbs, so no issue for me.
- I'm 6 ft 175lbs, so no issue for me.
09-12-17, 05:32 PM
#104
Lexus Fanatic
The Spirit flight I took was nothing like coach on any of the airlines you mention I've ever flown on, not even Southwest. Plastic seats with no padding, no recline, knees in the seat in front, the smallest tray table I have ever seen. The flight to and back from CA was literally 6 of the worst hours I've ever spent in my life.
The big front seats are fine, but good luck getting one.
No joke, I wouldn't even fly Spirit again for free. I can afford to fly on a real airline lol. No issue with Southwest (just flew them back from Vegas on Sunday, was fine), never flown Frontier, but Spirit sucks. If I could only afford to fly Spirit, I'd stay home.
The big front seats are fine, but good luck getting one.
No joke, I wouldn't even fly Spirit again for free. I can afford to fly on a real airline lol. No issue with Southwest (just flew them back from Vegas on Sunday, was fine), never flown Frontier, but Spirit sucks. If I could only afford to fly Spirit, I'd stay home.
Last edited by SW17LS; 09-12-17 at 05:40 PM.
09-12-17, 07:07 PM
#105
Lexus Champion
The Spirit flight I took was nothing like coach on any of the airlines you mention I've ever flown on, not even Southwest. Plastic seats with no padding, no recline, knees in the seat in front, the smallest tray table I have ever seen. The flight to and back from CA was literally 6 of the worst hours I've ever spent in my life.
No joke, I wouldn't even fly Spirit again for free. I can afford to fly on a real airline lol. No issue with Southwest (just flew them back from Vegas on Sunday, was fine), never flown Frontier, but Spirit sucks. If I could only afford to fly Spirit, I'd stay home.