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Old 10-21-11, 05:23 PM   #1
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Hyundai announces new 204-hp turbo four. Is it headed for Veloster?



The 2012 Hyundai Veloster has plenty of hot hatch potential, but its frugal, 1.6-liter, direct-injected four-cylinder just isn't going to cut it for those more concerned with speed than fuel economy. While a turbo model has long been rumored, we've now got confirmation sort of.

While Hyundai hasn't said anything official about the turbo Veloster, it has unveiled a new turbocharged 1.6-liter engine at a conference in Korea this week. Hyundai says it spent 52 months and over $60 million developing the new mill, which meets California's ULEV-2 and Euro 5 standards.

The 204-horsepower Gamma four-cylinder gets its extra 66 horses thanks to a twin-scoll turbocharger and an air-to-air intercooler. The turbo, which is integrated into the exhaust manifold, also boosts the Gamma's torque to a tire-squealing 195 lb-ft.

With a curb weight of just 2,600 pounds, the Veloster could be quite a pocket rocket with this engine fitted underhood. Let's hope a limited-slip differential is also in the cards.

We expect some sort of official announcement from Hyundai regarding the Veloster Turbo as early as November 1 at SEMA.

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Hyundai Motor Group will host 'The 11th Hyundai-Kia International Powertrain Conference' between October 19 - 20 to unveil the Group's latest powertrain technologies and discuss industry trends with world-class experts.

In line with this year's slogan of 'Innovation of Powertrain Technology Through Collaboration,' the conference was designed to offer industry experts an opportunity to discuss next-generation powertrain development directions and share innovative technologies, in response to tougher environmental policies worldwide. The annual conference was held at Rolling Hills Hotel, located near the Hyundai-Kia Motors R&D Center in Korea.

"Due to stricter environmental regulations and policies that vary from nation to nation, competition in the development of powertrains and other core technologies is intensifying," said Woong-Chul Yang, Hyundai Motor Co. Vice Chairman. "Hyundai Motor will accelerate its efforts to develop future powertrains that feature high-performance and eco-friendly engines and transmissions."

At the conference, Hyundai Motor showcased two innovative powertrains that were fully developed in-house: The Gamma 1.6 T-GDI engine and Euro6 R-2.0 diesel engine.

The Gamma 1.6 T-GDI engine, which was developed over a period of 52 months and cost 69.5 billion won, achieves the best performance figures in its class where the competition is the toughest. The engine beats its formidable rivals, boasting a maximum output of 204hp and torque of 27.0kgf.m at 6,000 rpm and 1,750 rpm, respectively.

Moreover, by remarkably cutting down on exhaust emissions, the engine meets California's ULEV-2 (Ultra-Low Emission Vehicle) standard, known as the most stringent, as well as Euro 5 standards.

In order to maximize fuel efficiency and performance, the engine uses an exhaust manifold integrated turbocharger with twin scroll, air guided intercooler, direct fuel injection system and dual CVVT, while a bed plate and a serpentine auxiliary belt were adopted to enhance engine reliability.

The Euro6 R-2.0 diesel engine, aimed to satisfy the next-generation Euro6 regulations by applying new technologies, such as low-pressure exhaust gas recirculation, was also introduced during the conference. It delivers world-class performance with a maximum output of 150ps and maximum torque of 39.0kgf.m without sacrificing its eco-friendliness.

As required by new regulations, the Euro6 reduced Nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions by 56 percent, compared to Euro5. By introducing the Euro6 R-2.0 diesel engine, Hyundai Motor is expected to lead the eco-friendly passenger car diesel engine technology field, satisfying the standards more than two years ahead of their implementation.

Hyundai Motor also displayed its motor-integrated six-speed front wheel drive automatic transmission equipped in the Sonata Hybrid, as well as the gasoline Theta T-GDI engine, gasoline Kappa bi-fuel engine, diesel R-2.2 2 stage turbo-charger and the six-speed double clutch (DCT) to enhance participants' understanding of new technology trends.

Some 1,000 world-class powertrain experts and academics participated in the conference, including members from Bosch, Continental, Delphi, Magna Powertrain and Denso.

Throughout the two-day conference, some 30 companies will release 50 theses in six sessions, including presentations on next-generation gasoline technology, exhaust and after-treatment technology, diesel innovation technology, exhaust reducing technology, high efficiency transmission and improving driving experiences.
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204HP out of a 1.6L? Nice! That output is above most of the other 1.5, 1.6, 1.8L competitors, and even surpasses many naturally aspirated 2.3 and 2.4/2.5L competitors out there. Now I hope this power plant will be available in several models, and not limited to just a handful of "special" ones.
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wow I feel for the 250 owners, 1.6L 4 cylinder= 204HP - 2.5L v6=204hp and an extra 1000 pounds...

But remember that at the end of the day your still in a Lexus.
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wow I feel for the 250 owners, 1.6L 4 cylinder= 204HP - 2.5L v6=204hp and an extra 1000 pounds...

But remember that at the end of the day your still in a Lexus.
Find me one IS250 owner that is doing this and thinking "oh man, if I had only purchased that Hyundai!"

There are several inexpensive cars that are quicker than high end cars. When the Neon SRT4 came out everyone was impressed by how fast it was - especially with the factory optioned stage 2 and 3 kits. But who cares? It's still POS Neon.

Are any of those still on the road? Hardly. Yet I still see IS300s and LOTS of 90s generation LS400s and GS300s out there.
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^ Yes. . . and I wouldn't compare V6's and L4's. . . if I wanted luxury, I'd take an undersized V6 over an oversized L4 any day!

My reference was to competition from Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Ford, etc. Most of the outputs from equivalent 4 cylinder engines are pretty pathetic. This tiny motor produces more power than the Scion tC's 2.5L NA L4.

I'm wondering how much boost that Hyundai engine is running, it's expected lifespan/durability, and it's MPG would be if coupled with a small hatchback.
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Find me one IS250 owner that is doing this and thinking "oh man, if I had only purchased that Hyundai!"

There are several inexpensive cars that are quicker than high end cars. When the Neon SRT4 came out everyone was impressed by how fast it was - especially with the factory optioned stage 2 and 3 kits. But who cares? It's still POS Neon.

Are any of those still on the road? Hardly. Yet I still see IS300s and LOTS of 90s generation LS400s and GS300s out there.

You must not read correctly or completely decided to ignore my last line.

The fact that they were able to bring out the same HP from a motor almost a whole liter less IS impressive wether you want to admit it or not. That was the only point I was trying to make. Just like when mitsubishi made wonders with the EVO MR, it was able to keep up with lambos. Doesnt mean I would take one over the Italian.

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^ Yes. . . and I wouldn't compare V6's and L4's. . . if I wanted luxury, I'd take an undersized V6 over an oversized L4 any day!

My reference was to competition from Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Ford, etc. Most of the outputs from equivalent 4 cylinder engines are pretty pathetic. This tiny motor produces more power than the Scion tC's 2.5L NA L4.

I'm wondering how much boost that Hyundai engine is running, it's expected lifespan/durability, and it's MPG would be if coupled with a small hatchback.

What does engine size have to do with luxury? Maybe you meant youll take an oversized v6 over a L4 if it means luxury? I agree.
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With the 1.6 making 204, i wonder what there gonna do with the 2.0 in the Gen Coupe. Cant have their hatch spanking their coupe, lol.
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wow I feel for the 250 owners, 1.6L 4 cylinder= 204HP - 2.5L v6=204hp and an extra 1000 pounds...

But remember that at the end of the day your still in a Lexus.
Keep in mind the 250 is 6 years old. A LOT of new tech has come out in between, and when you consider that the 2IS came out before the economic meltdown in 2008, trends, consumer taste, and government mandates were different. Of course other factors include that the Lexus and Hyundai are two different animals with different directions. One for fuel economy and sport, the other for Luxury and refinement. The quality of assembly and materials used as well as amenities should also be counted for that 1000lbs. The 2.5L V6 is smooth, polished and refined. Something that a 1.6L 4 will never be. But yes, it is amazing that a small modern displacement 4 banger can produce V6 numbers.

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^ Yes. . . and I wouldn't compare V6's and L4's. . . if I wanted luxury, I'd take an undersized V6 over an oversized L4 any day!

My reference was to competition from Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Ford, etc. Most of the outputs from equivalent 4 cylinder engines are pretty pathetic. This tiny motor produces more power than the Scion tC's 2.5L NA L4.

I'm wondering how much boost that Hyundai engine is running, it's expected lifespan/durability, and it's MPG would be if coupled with a small hatchback.
This remains to be seen, and it would be wise for people not to jump on the bandwagon just yet. Many buyers of the Sonata are not getting the 40mpg that was advertised, and the Sonata Hybrid is proving to even worse. Life span and durability we'll find out in a few years. MPG I'd imagine 30's. Fords EcoBoost has an edge over Hyundai as of the moment when it comes to durability. The 1.6L soon to be in the Fiesta ST will make a fun comparo test with a Veloster.

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With the 1.6 making 204, i wonder what there gonna do with the 2.0 in the Gen Coupe. Cant have their hatch spanking their coupe, lol.
It's rumored that the 2.0 will get a significant upgrade much like it's V6 sibling
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2.0t definately needs an upgrade to entice some buyers i guess. I've read unconfirmed rumors of 250. That remains to be seen.
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What does engine size have to do with luxury? Maybe you meant youll take an oversized v6 over a L4 if it means luxury? I agree.
For me, a lot. A large four cylinder engine is pretty crude; they tend to sound like garbage and vibrate like hell. However, a six cylinder motor of equal displacement usually is light years ahead..
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wow I feel for the 250 owners, 1.6L 4 cylinder= 204HP - 2.5L v6=204hp and an extra 1000 pounds...

But remember that at the end of the day your still in a Lexus.
its a 1.6L turbo, different then a NA 2.5 V6........I actually don't find this engine impressive as the Honda 2.0L K20 produce 195HP and that's 10 years ago......... The V6 give the IS a more smoother ride. can't compare that to the Hyundai.

More over, the 2.0L turbo EVO got 280HP while my sc430 4.3L V8 only have 288HP. But they both have similar MPG....lol

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its a 1.6L turbo, different then a NA 2.5 V6........I actually don't find this engine impressive as the Honda 2.0L K20 produce 195HP and that's 10 years ago......... The V6 give the IS a more smoother ride. can't compare that to the Hyundai.

More over, the 2.0L turbo EVO got 280HP while my sc430 4.3L V8 only have 288HP. But they both have similar MPG....lol
but there again that four is no where near as smooth, polished or refined, the point of a luxury car.

The way I see it, more cylinders, more luxury lol
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but there again that four is no where near as smooth, polished or refined, the point of a luxury car.

The way I see it, more cylinders, more luxury lol
I agree.....the sc430's V8 runs much somoother then the RX400H....
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As an IS250 owner, i personally did not buy the car for power. I bought it for the luxury it offered at a good value (IMO). Although, i am impressed with hyundais new engine, it wouldn't have swayed my decision. I hope the next gen IS gets a better mpg hybrid option.
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nice specs, but imo, i dont wanna see any blown engines 1 to 2 years from now
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