The worst-selling cars of 2011
10-11-11, 01:15 AM
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That modded ZDX does look decent. We've all been saying for years how Honda has lost it way with terrible direction of its designs.
Who needs focus groups when they can just come to Club Lexus Car Chat?
Who needs focus groups when they can just come to Club Lexus Car Chat?
10-11-11, 07:00 AM
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Note what wheels are on the ZDX to kind of help the looks out
That was a custom job the owner did to fit on there.
No Acura/Honda jumped on themselves with slow cars, ugly designs and no technology. The entire automotive world is on the same page in regards to the two brands, right now, a running joke. FWD Acura's are not more fun to drive than most Lexus models and sure are significantly slower. The TL SH-AWD long name 6 M is their best car ,9 people own it and none track it.
The CT F sport, IS F, IS Sport, GS F sport, LS sport & LFA would run circle around most Acura's.
They need to worry about Hyundai & Buick more than anyone right now as Lexus is about ten steps above them. No comparison, no reason to even debate it.
That was a custom job the owner did to fit on there.The CT F sport, IS F, IS Sport, GS F sport, LS sport & LFA would run circle around most Acura's.
They need to worry about Hyundai & Buick more than anyone right now as Lexus is about ten steps above them. No comparison, no reason to even debate it.
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10-11-11, 08:37 AM
#34
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I can understand the slow sales of some of the other models here, but, IMO, there is no plausible reason why the Hyundai Equus should not be selling (other than its insulting choice of only four exterior colors). This car, for the money, is a buy-and-a-half.
The TSX Sportwagon had the potential to be a great-seller, and compete with the Venza and Subaru wagons, but Acura, stubbornly, will not give it the SH-AWD, a raised-suspension, or a V6 option.
Ugliness, BTW (besides, of course, being subjective), does not necessarily mean low sales. Most of us here at CAR CHAT would consider the present Acura TL ugly (or at least awkward-looking), yet its sales-figures aren't bad at all.
The TSX Sportwagon had the potential to be a great-seller, and compete with the Venza and Subaru wagons, but Acura, stubbornly, will not give it the SH-AWD, a raised-suspension, or a V6 option.
Ugliness, BTW (besides, of course, being subjective), does not necessarily mean low sales. Most of us here at CAR CHAT would consider the present Acura TL ugly (or at least awkward-looking), yet its sales-figures aren't bad at all.
10-11-11, 09:23 AM
#35
I can understand the slow sales of some of the other models here, but, IMO, there is no plausible reason why the Hyundai Equus should not be selling (other than its insulting choice of only four exterior colors). This car, for the money, is a buy-and-a-half.
The TSX Sportwagon had the potential to be a great-seller, and compete with the Venza and Subaru wagons, but Acura, stubbornly, will not give it the SH-AWD, a raised-suspension, or a V6 option.
Ugliness, BTW (besides, of course, being subjective), does not necessarily mean low sales. Most of us here at CAR CHAT would consider the present Acura TL ugly (or at least awkward-looking), yet its sales-figures aren't bad at all.
The TSX Sportwagon had the potential to be a great-seller, and compete with the Venza and Subaru wagons, but Acura, stubbornly, will not give it the SH-AWD, a raised-suspension, or a V6 option.
Ugliness, BTW (besides, of course, being subjective), does not necessarily mean low sales. Most of us here at CAR CHAT would consider the present Acura TL ugly (or at least awkward-looking), yet its sales-figures aren't bad at all.
10-11-11, 09:50 AM
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I noticed the discrepancy in the article, too. Actually, both the Equus and Azera are selling rather poorly. Many high-end Hyundai buyers have been moving to the Genesis.
10-11-11, 03:05 PM
#39
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WOW! Honda and Acura just keep getting worse and worse. I really have no idea why they let Acura get so bad off. The designs have been repulsive and just weird.
Its like the old saying " don't judge a book by its cover".....well if the book looks boring as stupid who the hell is going to even pick it up. Acura needs a new design team . Maybe they can steal a designer away from Mercedes or Audi like Kia did
Its like the old saying " don't judge a book by its cover".....well if the book looks boring as stupid who the hell is going to even pick it up. Acura needs a new design team . Maybe they can steal a designer away from Mercedes or Audi like Kia did
10-11-11, 03:40 PM
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Not surprised to see so many Acuras on the list either. Honda and Acura both seriously have no clue and are paralyzed into either indecision, or the most boring of possible compromises.
Honda promised everybody a "high-torque" V6 for the Ridgeline. Nada.
Honda promised turbodiesel V6 engines. Nada.
Honda promised a turbodiesel 4-cylinder and other TD cars for the U.S. Nada
You still can't even get a manumatic auto in most Hondas, "because that's reserved for Acuras" (are you freaking kidding me?)
There were plans for a V8 powered car on a RWD platform for Acura. Nada. They finally did something other than a SOHC VTEC V6 with the 2.3L turbo, but it's port injected, down on compression ratio, down on fuel mileage, and up on turbo lag. The TSX was screeeeeaming for that engine though, along with a 6MT tranny, but when it came time to give the TSX more power what did they do? Put the most boring possible 3.5L V6 5AT in it, that's already in every other car they have. Not even a manual with the V6 in the TSX. Gotta step up to the fatter bigger uglier TL for that? The SportWagon had tons of potential, but only the boring 2.4L NA engine and the extra boring automatic. Come on.
Sad sad sad.
Honda promised everybody a "high-torque" V6 for the Ridgeline. Nada.
Honda promised turbodiesel V6 engines. Nada.
Honda promised a turbodiesel 4-cylinder and other TD cars for the U.S. Nada
You still can't even get a manumatic auto in most Hondas, "because that's reserved for Acuras" (are you freaking kidding me?)
There were plans for a V8 powered car on a RWD platform for Acura. Nada. They finally did something other than a SOHC VTEC V6 with the 2.3L turbo, but it's port injected, down on compression ratio, down on fuel mileage, and up on turbo lag. The TSX was screeeeeaming for that engine though, along with a 6MT tranny, but when it came time to give the TSX more power what did they do? Put the most boring possible 3.5L V6 5AT in it, that's already in every other car they have. Not even a manual with the V6 in the TSX. Gotta step up to the fatter bigger uglier TL for that? The SportWagon had tons of potential, but only the boring 2.4L NA engine and the extra boring automatic. Come on.
Sad sad sad.
10-11-11, 04:24 PM
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Not surprised to see so many Acuras on the list either. Honda and Acura both seriously have no clue and are paralyzed into either indecision, or the most boring of possible compromises.
Honda promised everybody a "high-torque" V6 for the Ridgeline. Nada.
Honda promised turbodiesel V6 engines. Nada.
Honda promised a turbodiesel 4-cylinder and other TD cars for the U.S. Nada
You still can't even get a manumatic auto in most Hondas, "because that's reserved for Acuras" (are you freaking kidding me?)
There were plans for a V8 powered car on a RWD platform for Acura. Nada. They finally did something other than a SOHC VTEC V6 with the 2.3L turbo, but it's port injected, down on compression ratio, down on fuel mileage, and up on turbo lag. The TSX was screeeeeaming for that engine though, along with a 6MT tranny, but when it came time to give the TSX more power what did they do? Put the most boring possible 3.5L V6 5AT in it, that's already in every other car they have. Not even a manual with the V6 in the TSX. Gotta step up to the fatter bigger uglier TL for that? The SportWagon had tons of potential, but only the boring 2.4L NA engine and the extra boring automatic. Come on.
Sad sad sad.
Honda promised everybody a "high-torque" V6 for the Ridgeline. Nada.
Honda promised turbodiesel V6 engines. Nada.
Honda promised a turbodiesel 4-cylinder and other TD cars for the U.S. Nada
You still can't even get a manumatic auto in most Hondas, "because that's reserved for Acuras" (are you freaking kidding me?)
There were plans for a V8 powered car on a RWD platform for Acura. Nada. They finally did something other than a SOHC VTEC V6 with the 2.3L turbo, but it's port injected, down on compression ratio, down on fuel mileage, and up on turbo lag. The TSX was screeeeeaming for that engine though, along with a 6MT tranny, but when it came time to give the TSX more power what did they do? Put the most boring possible 3.5L V6 5AT in it, that's already in every other car they have. Not even a manual with the V6 in the TSX. Gotta step up to the fatter bigger uglier TL for that? The SportWagon had tons of potential, but only the boring 2.4L NA engine and the extra boring automatic. Come on.
Sad sad sad.
10-11-11, 09:33 PM
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Acura's guillotine nose has pretty much "killed" the brand. Sad that Acura can't seem to get into tier one luxury, considering Honda was the first Japanese brand to create a luxury division in the U.S..
I actually really like the 1st gen TSX, which was the European Accord.
I actually really like the 1st gen TSX, which was the European Accord.
10-11-11, 09:42 PM
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Yes the long-promised NSX replacement has never materialized. The S2000 was discontinued without a replacement. The "flagship" Acura RL is using the same SOHC VTEC system as a 1993 Honda Civic. Oh wait, they finally added variable cam-phasing to that. Guess what else has variable cam-phasing on SOHC? The Ford F-150 pickups, and they had it first. Throttleless engines with continuously variable valve lift (aka BMW's Valvetronic) should have been a Honda innovation, but instead they've been sitting on their asses since 1990 doing squat. The J-series SOHC VTEC V6 engine line is now going to be 16 years old. Toyota came out with the excellent GR series which features direct/dual injection and has a wider range of displacements. Nissan has iterated the VQ engine several times over and has continuously variable valve lift in the top-end version now as well. Honda, nada. The new Civic Si is out and, wow, now it has the 2.4L 200hp K24 VTEC engine rather than the old K20, and still not the 2.3L turbo which that car was dying for also. Another missed opportunity IMHO. No DSG type gearboxes. Still mostly boring 5 speed automatics with the same boring too long gearing. Wow the Odyssey and some of the higher end Acuras now have 6 speed automatics. Yippy. Honda was a leader in CVT transmissions, but Nissan has stolen the show from Honda on that now, and their Altima gets better mileage than the Accord does. You can't even count on Hondas for the best mileage anymore either. No Hybrid Accord. The Hyundai Elantra gets better mileage than the Civic, and the Civic isn't even recommended anymore by Consumer Reports.
Their designs are boring, their cars are boring, their technologies are old and boring, they don't lead in performance or driving or braking or handling or mileage, and there's nothing that their cars do that somebody else doesn't do better or has already been doing for longer. The new Odyssey is supposedly pretty darn good and clearly better than the Sienna. Wow. They build a great minivan. Outstanding.
I'm tired now, can I stop?
They have two things going for them. What little is left of their reputation from the 1990s and the brand loyalty that comes with it, and the fact that their cars are still pretty darned reliable. And that's about it.
10-11-11, 10:57 PM
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Oh yeah, how could I forget? My gripe list with Honda/Acura is so long that I can't even remember everything all in one post. Yes the long-promised NSX replacement has never materialized. The S2000 was discontinued without a replacement. The "flagship" Acura RL is using the same SOHC VTEC system as a 1993 Honda Civic. Oh wait, they finally added variable cam-phasing to that. Guess what else has variable cam-phasing on SOHC? The Ford F-150 pickups, and they had it first.
Throttleless engines with continuously variable valve lift (aka BMW's Valvetronic) should have been a Honda innovation, but instead they've been sitting on their asses since 1990 doing squat. The J-series SOHC VTEC V6 engine line is now going to be 16 years old. Toyota came out with the excellent GR series which features direct/dual injection and has a wider range of displacements. Nissan has iterated the VQ engine several times over and has continuously variable valve lift in the top-end version now as well. Honda, nada. The new Civic Si is out and, wow, now it has the 2.4L 200hp K24 VTEC engine rather than the old K20, and still not the 2.3L turbo which that car was dying for also. Another missed opportunity IMHO. No DSG type gearboxes. Still mostly boring 5 speed automatics with the same boring too long gearing. Wow the Odyssey and some of the higher end Acuras now have 6 speed automatics. Yippy. Honda was a leader in CVT transmissions, but Nissan has stolen the show from Honda on that now, and their Altima gets better mileage than the Accord does. You can't even count on Hondas for the best mileage anymore either. No Hybrid Accord. The Hyundai Elantra gets better mileage than the Civic, and the Civic isn't even recommended anymore by Consumer Reports.
Their designs are boring, their cars are boring, their technologies are old and boring, they don't lead in performance or driving or braking or handling or mileage, and there's nothing that their cars do that somebody else doesn't do better or has already been doing for longer. The new Odyssey is supposedly pretty darn good and clearly better than the Sienna. Wow. They build a great minivan. Outstanding.
I'm tired now, can I stop?
They have two things going for them. What little is left of their reputation from the 1990s and the brand loyalty that comes with it, and the fact that their cars are still pretty darned reliable. And that's about it.
Yes the long-promised NSX replacement has never materialized. The S2000 was discontinued without a replacement. The "flagship" Acura RL is using the same SOHC VTEC system as a 1993 Honda Civic. Oh wait, they finally added variable cam-phasing to that. Guess what else has variable cam-phasing on SOHC? The Ford F-150 pickups, and they had it first. Throttleless engines with continuously variable valve lift (aka BMW's Valvetronic) should have been a Honda innovation, but instead they've been sitting on their asses since 1990 doing squat. The J-series SOHC VTEC V6 engine line is now going to be 16 years old. Toyota came out with the excellent GR series which features direct/dual injection and has a wider range of displacements. Nissan has iterated the VQ engine several times over and has continuously variable valve lift in the top-end version now as well. Honda, nada. The new Civic Si is out and, wow, now it has the 2.4L 200hp K24 VTEC engine rather than the old K20, and still not the 2.3L turbo which that car was dying for also. Another missed opportunity IMHO. No DSG type gearboxes. Still mostly boring 5 speed automatics with the same boring too long gearing. Wow the Odyssey and some of the higher end Acuras now have 6 speed automatics. Yippy. Honda was a leader in CVT transmissions, but Nissan has stolen the show from Honda on that now, and their Altima gets better mileage than the Accord does. You can't even count on Hondas for the best mileage anymore either. No Hybrid Accord. The Hyundai Elantra gets better mileage than the Civic, and the Civic isn't even recommended anymore by Consumer Reports.
Their designs are boring, their cars are boring, their technologies are old and boring, they don't lead in performance or driving or braking or handling or mileage, and there's nothing that their cars do that somebody else doesn't do better or has already been doing for longer. The new Odyssey is supposedly pretty darn good and clearly better than the Sienna. Wow. They build a great minivan. Outstanding.
I'm tired now, can I stop?
They have two things going for them. What little is left of their reputation from the 1990s and the brand loyalty that comes with it, and the fact that their cars are still pretty darned reliable. And that's about it.
wow, 100% dead on. i grew up with 90's Hondas. it's really sad to see Honda/Acura going down this way. my wife's '09 TL has the same fan noise that my previous '04 Accord V6 had whenever A/C is on, just plain sad. the only thing going for Honda was the S2000 after toyota discontinued MR2 Spider and Celica, but they killed that too for no reason, it was still selling pretty good at the time. maybe the launch of Toyota/Subaru's rwd sports coupe will finally wake Honda up and give us something to look forward to.