2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo X Hemi **JUNK**
04-02-11, 01:59 PM
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A co-worker said he wanted to scratch the Jeep CJ itch and asked me about buying a used one. I told him to do some reading on reliability of them. A week later he was shaking his head and asking what was he thinking. He said he couldn't find a single good review.
04-02-11, 04:45 PM
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If he's looking for something older and has a bit of cash, steer him toward a FJ40. Jeeps made prior to AMC getting their hands on them are very stout. I've got a 69 Kaiser made CJ5 and a 54 ****** made CJ3B. Both are built like no other. Newer? Well... FJ Cruiser? Of course, a Jeep for a beater wheeling rig is fine as it only has to be as reliable as the trail is long.
04-04-11, 10:38 AM
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The press gives the NEW American cars rave reviews. They start off good, but over time they fall apart. This is where the Japanese pull ahead. I think you made the right choice getting rid of the Jeep, but you bought a Mercedes ML? The ML is notorious for having issues. I hope you got a factory warranty with the car. You said its a 2009, so i'm sure its still in effect. I would contact Mercedes and see if you have the option to extend the warranty because you will need it. I'm in no way trying to put you down, but the ML is know in the auto industry as being troublesome. Its built in Alabama, so that could be the issue.
04-04-11, 02:27 PM
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So you're saying Americans can't build cars? Weird. As far as I know the Toyota Camry is now built in the United States and it is as a very well-built and reliable car.
The first-generation ML was a troublesome product because the management hadn't effectively setup the typical stringent quality control standards used in Germany in the Tuscaloosa plant. In effect the first ML was rushed to the market - because of the SUV craze. But as far as I know, the latter models were much better and even somewhat reliable.
The second-generation ML is by far a better and more reliable car as the company has managed to improve the building and quality control process at the plant. I've heard that the early models were a bit troublesome, but now rank as some of the most reliable cars on the road (I discovered this in an AMS report from about a year ago) in Germany.
The first-generation ML was a troublesome product because the management hadn't effectively setup the typical stringent quality control standards used in Germany in the Tuscaloosa plant. In effect the first ML was rushed to the market - because of the SUV craze. But as far as I know, the latter models were much better and even somewhat reliable.
The second-generation ML is by far a better and more reliable car as the company has managed to improve the building and quality control process at the plant. I've heard that the early models were a bit troublesome, but now rank as some of the most reliable cars on the road (I discovered this in an AMS report from about a year ago) in Germany.
04-05-11, 09:38 PM
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So moral of the story, trust your first instinct and tell Chrysler to take their flagship vehicle and place it squarely in their rear.
04-06-11, 08:54 AM
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Although the Mercedes/Chrysler merge was technically a equal-union, M-B ended up, for all intents and purposes, owning the company. M-B then sold Chrysler off to the Cerebus Company, who, in 2009, sold it to a combination of Italy's Fiat and U.S. Government and UAW money.
04-06-11, 10:27 AM
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Although the Mercedes/Chrysler merge was technically a equal-union, M-B ended up, for all intents and purposes, owning the company. M-B then sold Chrysler off to the Cerebus Company, who, in 2009, sold it to a combination of Italy's Fiat and U.S. Government and UAW money.
04-06-11, 12:27 PM
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I guess most here do not like Chrysler aka Jeep the main topic but oddly enough many of these Grand Cherokees are on the streets, and people drive them day in and day out, the worst I have really heard about Jeep is gas usage, but that is clearly on the window sticker, they have more issues with higher mileage but within the new car limitations of 60k and the warranty, they are no different then 4Runners.
The service advisor must of worked for Toyota, cause Chrysler dealers I have been to know how to fix problem
In a funny way this Jeep has the exact problems my friends mother had with her Avalon
the Toyota dealer gave her the run around
The service advisor must of worked for Toyota, cause Chrysler dealers I have been to know how to fix problem
In a funny way this Jeep has the exact problems my friends mother had with her Avalon
the Toyota dealer gave her the run around
04-06-11, 01:09 PM
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A quart every thousand is considered "normal" by the American auto industry.....
I had a car with the 3.0l Ford duratec and it consumed (not burned, not oil smoke, exhaust clean as whistle) 1qt every 3000 miles from day one and continued to do so till I sold it 7.5 years later with 120,000miles on it.
I had a car with the 3.0l Ford duratec and it consumed (not burned, not oil smoke, exhaust clean as whistle) 1qt every 3000 miles from day one and continued to do so till I sold it 7.5 years later with 120,000miles on it.
04-06-11, 01:14 PM
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A quart every thousand is considered "normal" by the American auto industry.....
I had a car with the 3.0l Ford duratec and it consumed (not burned, not oil smoke, exhaust clean as whistle) 1qt every 3000 miles from day one and continued to do so till I sold it 7.5 years later with 120,000miles on it.
I had a car with the 3.0l Ford duratec and it consumed (not burned, not oil smoke, exhaust clean as whistle) 1qt every 3000 miles from day one and continued to do so till I sold it 7.5 years later with 120,000miles on it.
. Many of the earlier Ford "modular" SOHC (2 value per cylinder) V8's did the same. The later versions (06-10 for example) typically use minimal oil between 5-7K mile oil change intervals.
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04-06-11, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by IS-SV
Yes for a 1000 miles to the quart, they consistently will say "normal", followed by "not a legitimate warranty claim".
Now, of course, that's not to say that it doesn't happen...the Cadillac Northstar V8, for example, was known for significant oil consumpton, even at low mileage. But, with most modern engines, broken-in properly and not abused, and using the correct oil-grade as recommended, one can usually expect a lot more than 1000 miles out of a quart of oil.
04-06-11, 09:34 PM
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On paper, 1/1000 may be considered "normal" by some auto manufacturers in a double-talk attempt to get out of warranty work or having to replace engines, but, in fact, it really isn't normal at all. I have never had a new car (or any used-car with less than 70-80K miles on it), that used or burned oil anywhere near that rate, with one exception...a POS late-70s VW 4-cylinder engine in a Plymouth Horizon.
Now, of course, that's not to say that it doesn't happen...the Cadillac Northstar V8, for example, was known for significant oil consumpton, even at low mileage. But, with most modern engines, broken-in properly and not abused, and using the correct oil-grade as recommended, one can usually expect a lot more than 1000 miles out of a quart of oil.
Now, of course, that's not to say that it doesn't happen...the Cadillac Northstar V8, for example, was known for significant oil consumpton, even at low mileage. But, with most modern engines, broken-in properly and not abused, and using the correct oil-grade as recommended, one can usually expect a lot more than 1000 miles out of a quart of oil.
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04-06-11, 09:50 PM
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The second-generation ML is by far a better and more reliable car as the company has managed to improve the building and quality control process at the plant. I've heard that the early models were a bit troublesome, but now rank as some of the most reliable cars on the road (I discovered this in an AMS report from about a year ago) in Germany.