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Old 03-15-11, 12:10 PM
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I think people prefer the look of the CT over the HS...If anything, they should have put the HS powertrain/refinement/smoothness into the CT and priced that at 34K, and got rid of the HS period.
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Old 03-15-11, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbwb
Mike,
Great review once again!
Thanks.


I like that Lexus stepped a bit out of the box in terms of the handling with the CT (based on the reviews of it cornering rather flat etc). Hopefully this continues with the soon to be relaesed GS & IS.
The down-side to that kind of sharp handling, though, can be a rather un-Lexus-like ride. Few manufacturers outside of BMW and Mercedes can really master the ride-handling balance, though, surprisingly, Buick has done it very well with the new LaCrosse.


side note,
I too would like a review from you of the GX460 being an owner of a 2010 4runner(platform sibling). I have considered it to someday replace my 4runner, maybe a used one.

Thanks,
Brandon
It's already on the review list.

I'm interested to see how well the GX handles its tall stance, high-center-of-gravity, and narrowness of width......that is a old formula for instability and tipsiness.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
As I see it, it's more than simply a matter of hatch-vs-sedan. The HS simply has more size, smoothness, refinement, and noise-control, period.
yes, but it's ugly.

I agree, though, with your statement......Lexus should have done an HS hatchback instead, and let the CT be a Toyota.
agreed. the CT might have been a Matrix 'h' or something.

Originally Posted by RXSF
I think people prefer the look of the CT over the HS...
hard not to.

If anything, they should have put the HS powertrain/refinement/smoothness into the CT and priced that at 34K, and got rid of the HS period.
another good possibility. lexus sold 173 HS in US in Feb.
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Originally Posted by edarte
Very informative review. Thank you for taking the time and effort to share this with us. I really appreciate the detail and the way you back up your opinions with observations.
Thanks. My reviews are done primarily to give a thorough description of the car from nose to tail, how well you fit in it, how the car behaves in normal driving and some mildly aggressive manuvers, and what you basically get for your money. I think that is more important than concentrating on 0-60 times, minimum-stop distances, skidpad figures, slalom speeds, etc...... like some of the auto mags do.
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Originally Posted by RXSF
I think people prefer the look of the CT over the HS...If anything, they should have put the HS powertrain/refinement/smoothness into the CT and priced that at 34K, and got rid of the HS period.
You also have to look at the difference in size and interiors. Larger adults can fit comfortably in the HS, at least in the front seat. Not necessarily so with the CT.
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Great review I am considering getting one of these in a few years.
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Originally Posted by PEARLIS250
Great review
Thanks.

I am considering getting one of these in a few years.
Right now, they're somewhat hard to get because of their newness, high gas prices, and the supply-and-demand market for small hybrids. As more of them come onto the market in the future, they should be easier to get, particularly if gas prices drop.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Are you talking about the review's verdict at the end? I tried to summarize, in a couple of paragraphs, why I didn't think it should have been marketed as a Lexus, and was (probably) better-suited as a Toyota.
Yes, and nicely summarized too.
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Next planned reviews, per CL member requests:

2011 Lexus GX470

2011 (2012?) Dodge Dakota R/T

2012 Ford Focus.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Next planned reviews, per CL member requests:

2011 Lexus GX470

2011 (2012?) Dodge Dakota R/T

2012 Ford Focus.
2011 Avalon?
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Originally Posted by Joeb427
2011 Avalon?
I saw one these from behind at nite....I was like WTF car is that????

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Originally Posted by Joeb427
2011 Avalon?
OK...I'll add that one.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
And parking-lot dents and dings DON'T?

I'm afraid I don't agree with your reasoning here.
that's if they're effective in avoiding dents and dings to begin with.
Regardless of that, dents and dings can be fixed even if they make the car ugly. Side molding (on most, but not all, cars they don't flow with the lines of the cars and hence look tagged on and ugly) is permanent.
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Originally Posted by raptor22
that's if they're effective in avoiding dents and dings to begin with.
True.....many factory-appled mouldings are simply mounted too low. And door edges do come in all different shapes.


Regardless of that, dents and dings can be fixed even if they make the car ugly.
Although it won't take out dings or smooth out dimpled metal, SCRATCH-OUT, which I use and highly recommend, will usually take out the colored-paint-marks that door dings often leave. It's as easy to use as liquid wax.


Side molding (on most, but not all, cars they don't flow with the lines of the cars and hence look tagged on and ugly) is permanent.
I don't see any real ugliness to them, but, of course, these things are personally subjective, and I'll respect your opinion on that.
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