2014/15 Lexus LC600h (SC successor)
10-12-10, 04:22 PM
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I thought CAFE was just a mean average of the cars in your lineup? Like if one car gets 40mph and another 35mpg, you can have a car that gets 22mpg and still be ok because the mean average is still over 30mpg?
10-12-10, 04:56 PM
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LS600hL in 2007, and a LC600h in 2014? I don't believe they will use the same platform and engine 7 years later. By 2014, Lexus hybrids on average should be getting at least 30mpg.
The GS450h and LS600hL getting 24mpg will not be acceptable anymore.
The GS450h and LS600hL getting 24mpg will not be acceptable anymore.
10-12-10, 06:03 PM
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That's perfectly fine - you simply have to pay a small penalty for this. For big large corporations, paying this fee is often worth it to keep high powered (low gas mileage efficiency) cars in their fleet.
BMW is a great example. Does BMW meet CAFE standards? Hell no. I'm not going to say it's "not close" but with vehicles within the BMW fleet like the 10 MPG-receiving M5, it should not be surprising that BMW doesn't meet CAFE standards, and honestly I don't think they care. They are fine paying the penalty because it allows them to keep vehicles like the M5, M6, etc. etc.
Exotic sports car companies like Ferrari definitely don't meet CAFE standards. They are chugging right along just fine.
10-12-10, 06:06 PM
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The SLK has never been received very well and sales are always small.
I am sure they are all cross shopped somewhat.
The Boxster has just ruled the sport convertible class.
10-12-10, 06:07 PM
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10-12-10, 06:23 PM
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^^^^ Not sure about the LC but to me all signs point that it will be produced.
In regards to the SC there was a lot of debate on what to do with the car in the 3rd gen. Should it be bigger and more of a GT or be sportier. I have no idea what the final result is but I don't expect it to be super sporty since Mr. Toyoda took over well into the end of its life. Not sure he had much if any input with it.
A LC makes sense to extend the Lexus range as a top level coupe and also maybe a way to add another addition to the "F" Lineup ala the CL.
You would then have
LS-Flagship sedan
LX-Flagship SUV
LC-Flagship Coupe
LFA-Halo
This would allow flexibility for the SC to be something sportier in the future (sadly think 4th gen lol).
In regards to the SC there was a lot of debate on what to do with the car in the 3rd gen. Should it be bigger and more of a GT or be sportier. I have no idea what the final result is but I don't expect it to be super sporty since Mr. Toyoda took over well into the end of its life. Not sure he had much if any input with it.
A LC makes sense to extend the Lexus range as a top level coupe and also maybe a way to add another addition to the "F" Lineup ala the CL.
You would then have
LS-Flagship sedan
LX-Flagship SUV
LC-Flagship Coupe
LFA-Halo
This would allow flexibility for the SC to be something sportier in the future (sadly think 4th gen lol).
10-12-10, 06:28 PM
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Ah, that makes sense then. So LC would be a flagship or 'LS coupe'. SC would be to the LC what the GS is to the LS I guess then. SC would be a prestige/sport coupe, and then IS would be low-end coupe.
Do you think there is anything to those rumors of a "super LS"? Would Lexus consider moving into such a segment, or would they simply further move and expand the LS upmarket?
Do you think there is anything to those rumors of a "super LS"? Would Lexus consider moving into such a segment, or would they simply further move and expand the LS upmarket?
10-12-10, 07:34 PM
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You are correct Corporate Average Fuel Economy is exactly as you stated. Toyota has the big V8 in the Tundra and Sequoia and of course the V10 in the LFA but at the same time Toyota has the Prius, Yaris, HS and soon to be the CT. So take the average of all your models MPG and you get the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE)...
10-12-10, 07:38 PM
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You are correct Corporate Average Fuel Economy is exactly as you stated. Toyota has the big V8 in the Tundra and Sequoia and of course the V10 in the LFA but at the same time Toyota has the Prius, Yaris, HS and soon to be the CT. So take the average of all your models MPG and you get the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE)...
10-12-10, 08:24 PM
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Ah, that makes sense then. So LC would be a flagship or 'LS coupe'. SC would be to the LC what the GS is to the LS I guess then. SC would be a prestige/sport coupe, and then IS would be low-end coupe.
Do you think there is anything to those rumors of a "super LS"? Would Lexus consider moving into such a segment, or would they simply further move and expand the LS upmarket?
Do you think there is anything to those rumors of a "super LS"? Would Lexus consider moving into such a segment, or would they simply further move and expand the LS upmarket?
While BMW/Benz both offer turbo V-12s they only sell maybe a couple dozen or so every month (not sure but it can't be that high volume).
10-12-10, 10:00 PM
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So I was right about the cafe thing. i figure that was the case, i read it a while ago that those were the 'rules'. I don't get this though. If the new SC isn't the sporty car that the LC is going to be, just what is the new SC going to be? A luxury GT or what? I wonder.
10-13-10, 04:03 AM
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I'd rather they take advantage of the FT-86 platform, but that's just me.
10-13-10, 07:21 AM
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It's a drawing by a magazine. Its not even a concept.