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Old 08-19-10, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
One thing I haven't heard about the 2011 model is the powertrain. The lackluster 3.8 V6 really needs to go. The new corporate 3.6 V6 should be in this car
On a slightly different note, I don't know why Jeep ever got rid of the old in-line 4.2L (258 c.i.) six....except maybe for packaging reasons. Yes, it was a very old, push-rod, iron-block design, tracing its roots back to the AMC (American Motors) cars of the early 1970's, but it had good low-end torque suited for off-roading, was durable, and, of course, had some 35-40 years of improvements/honing to it. Wrangler (and other Jeep) owners loved it.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
On a slightly different note, I don't know why Jeep ever got rid of the old in-line 4.2L (258 c.i.) six....except maybe for packaging reasons. Yes, it was a very old, push-rod, iron-block design, tracing its roots back to the AMC (American Motors) cars of the early 1970's, but it had good low-end torque suited for off-roading, was durable, and, of course, had some 35-40 years of improvements/honing to it. Wrangler (and other Jeep) owners loved it.
I'm sure there was a few reasons (not that I know lol). Do you know how the fuel economy of the old 4.2L compares to the 3.8L?
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Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
I'm sure there was a few reasons (not that I know lol). Do you know how the fuel economy of the old 4.2L compares to the 3.8L?

No, don't have the figures right on on me, but the new 3.8L V6, of course, has a more efficient and flexible transmission....that also plays a big role, not just the engine.

You do bring up an interesting point, though. The old 4.2L was developed prior to the first oil crisis in 73-74, when fuel economy was not much of an issue.
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I'd rather have a G wagen, RR Defender or even the good old UAZ
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
On a slightly different note, I don't know why Jeep ever got rid of the old in-line 4.2L (258 c.i.) six....except maybe for packaging reasons. Yes, it was a very old, push-rod, iron-block design, tracing its roots back to the AMC (American Motors) cars of the early 1970's, but it had good low-end torque suited for off-roading, was durable, and, of course, had some 35-40 years of improvements/honing to it. Wrangler (and other Jeep) owners loved it.
I didn't know there were in-line engines with pushrods.
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I drove the big 4 door one and it was of course crude, unrefined and seemingly unpainted and I loved the damn thing. Tons of character and there is nothing like it. Its an American Legend and glad to see it getting improvements!
 
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Just another product from a company that should have...and hopefully will...die soon.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
On a slightly different note, I don't know why Jeep ever got rid of the old in-line 4.2L (258 c.i.) six....except maybe for packaging reasons. Yes, it was a very old, push-rod, iron-block design, tracing its roots back to the AMC (American Motors) cars of the early 1970's, but it had good low-end torque suited for off-roading, was durable, and, of course, had some 35-40 years of improvements/honing to it. Wrangler (and other Jeep) owners loved it.
Simple, most likely emissions and fuel efficiency in that order.

The 4.2L was nice enough, but not worth the trouble. I've driven one extensively for over 10K miles in a Jeep Cherokee.
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Old 08-19-10, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Och
I didn't know there were in-line engines with pushrods.
Yes, many pushrod sixes were sold back in the 60's-on from Big 3.
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Originally Posted by CDNROCKIES
Just another product from a company that should have...and hopefully will...die soon.
The Wrangler sold over 10,000 units last month. ALL of Lexus sold just over 18,500 units.

And you're saying Wrangler needs to go?

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The Wranger and Jeep brand make up the most saleable division of Chrysler, which isn't saying a lot. The Jeep division could easily be sold (unlike Hummer, Saturn and Pontiac) for significant amount of money.
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Originally Posted by I8ABMR
kind of like all of the 911's, I have to say BFD ( no disrespect to you only to Jeep.....and Porsche). The design team at Jeep is the laziest bunch of SOBs this side of Stuttgart.
Why mess with perfection? Not talking about Jeep. I am talking about 911.

But they are both iconic in their own ways.
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Always wanted a Jeep Wrangler, with painted cover. Now it's OEM.
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Originally Posted by -J-P-L-
The Wrangler sold over 10,000 units last month. ALL of Lexus sold just over 18,500 units.

And you're saying Wrangler needs to go?

Not sure why you would bring that up as Lexus clearly is much more expensive.
 
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Not sure why you would bring that up as Lexus clearly is much more expensive.
Not only that, but, of course, Lexus would not sell a vehicle with the Wrangler's crudeness.....though the IS-F, admittedly, nice as it is, has a damn stiff ride.
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