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I8ABMR Jul 20, 2010 11:03 AM

AZ's notorious freeway speed cameras finally come down
 
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In span of about two-and-a-half years, Arizona's highway speed camera program, run by Australian company Redflex, mailed 1,105,935 tickets, or close to 1,125 tickets every day. In 2009, a group called CameraFraud went to work to get the cameras taken down, and after a year of effort they've been successful: Redflex shut the 78 fixed and mobile cameras down at midnight, July 16.

The group convinced Arizona's new governer, Jan Brewer, that the cameras were all about money. Brewer's predecessor, Janet Napolitano, had cited the fact that the cameras would bring in $120 million every year for the state. But since tickets needed to be delivered by process servers to those caught speeding in order to be legally binding, 66% of the violations were never paid. Instead of reaping $120 million annually, only $78 million was collected over the entire 2.5 years.

There remain some Arizona municipalities with speed-detecting cameras still in use, and CameraFraud is now taking aim at them. Also, the shutdown doesn't affect the red light cameras, a program run by American Traffic Solutions, which are still in operation.

bitkahuna Jul 20, 2010 01:30 PM

how about pointing those cameras at the border instead. :p

I8ABMR Jul 20, 2010 01:41 PM

I would agree.

I am just really happy to see these annoying cameras come down. In the end they should have known they were not going to work very well. They give you 2 large yellow warning signs before the camera, and even if you still get the ticket they cant prove that you received it in the mail unless it was hand delivered so no drivers were even paying the fines. What I would do is slow for the camera then floor it as soon as I passed. I would do this principle

mmarshall Jul 20, 2010 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by I8ABMR (Post 5654729)


In span of about two-and-a-half years, Arizona's highway speed camera program, run by Australian company Redflex, mailed 1,105,935 tickets, or close to 1,125 tickets every day.

The group convinced Arizona's new governer, Jan Brewer, that the cameras were all about money.

Revenue-collection or not, the fact is that well over one million drivers in your state simply screwed themselves by not slowing down. No one forced them to drive fast enough to trigger the cameras (don't know about AZ, but here in the MD suburbs, the cameras give you a 10-mph margin before they are triggered, to allow for speedometer error and other factors). So there is generally little excuse for it.

baddis es Jul 20, 2010 06:06 PM

how do you give the vehicle a ticket is my question...isnt the driver supposed to be cited?

get rid of all these stupid cameras and let the traffic officers do their paid duties to cite the driver, not the vehicle.

mmarshall Jul 20, 2010 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by baddis es (Post 5655668)
how do you give the vehicle a ticket is my question...isnt the driver supposed to be cited?

No. The cameras, in general, especially with tinted glass, cannot zero in on the driver's face......or tell if it is the registered owner or not. Nor are they intended to. They are designed to zero in on the license plate, and the ticket is mailed to the car's registered owner (by law, of course, registered owners must notify DMV of address-changes). This is now all kept on nationwide traffic-computers, so you can't escape ticket-records simply by living in (or moving to) another state.

There are some car-magazine ads touting Photo-Blocker-sprays (usually by mail-order) that are invisible and are supposed to block the camera's ability to see the license-plate numbers (it makes the whole license-plate reflect in one big white shiny light-blob), but I can't attest to their effectiveness, if any.

If your car gets zapped and you get a ticket, depending on the local jurisdiction, you can go to court, file an affidavit, and swear you weren't driving if someone else was driving your car at the time. But, of course, to lie about it is perjury, and the state is going to expect to have the fine paid one way or another...if not by you, then by who was driving....and then it's your word against his or hers. They will then go after the person at the wheel....although if the car was stolen, of course, it will have to be listed as such.

I8ABMR Jul 20, 2010 06:42 PM

I just saw a story on the news where a Phoenix man pulled up next to a photo radar van and shot the attendant inside because he was pissed about the cameras. He still claims that he didnt know that there was anyone in the car

Faymester Jul 20, 2010 06:43 PM

Can these anti-camera people come and fight our various traffic cameras around Vancouver?

mmarshall Jul 20, 2010 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Faymester (Post 5655769)
Can these anti-camera people come and fight our various traffic cameras around Vancouver?

Maybe, but don't count on it. Canada, for the most part, is a substantially different culture than the American West.

mmarshall Jul 20, 2010 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by I8ABMR (Post 5655766)
I just saw a story on the news where a Phoenix man pulled up next to a photo radar van and shot the attendant inside because he was pissed about the cameras. He still claims that he didnt know that there was anyone in the car

That makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? He trades a simple speeding fine (with no driver-points at that) for felony assault with a deadly weapon, and possible attempted murder. :egads:

Initial B Jul 20, 2010 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by mmarshall (Post 5655800)
That makes a lot of sense, doesn't it? He trades a simple speeding fine (with no driver-points at that) for felony assault with a deadly weapon, and possible attempted murder. :egads:

yeah, he is a 68 yr old ... and just got sentenced to 22 yrs.

Anyway, thank God these asinine cameras have come down. Again, these are the FREEWAY cameras, which have nothing to do with catching or stopping dangerous drivers - only a live cop can do that - and everything to do with getting more money out of the honest person's pocket. Illegals with no registration or insurance? They could get flashed all day, but where do you send the ticket? What a joke.

Red light cameras are still up, and that's fine by me.

baddis es Jul 20, 2010 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by mmarshall (Post 5655717)
No. The cameras, in general, especially with tinted glass, cannot zero in on the driver's face......or tell if it is the registered owner or not. Nor are they intended to. They are designed to zero in on the license plate, and the ticket is mailed to the car's registered owner (by law, of course, registered owners must notify DMV of address-changes). This is now all kept on nationwide traffic-computers, so you can't escape ticket-records simply by living in (or moving to) another state.

There are some car-magazine ads touting Photo-Blocker-sprays (usually by mail-order) that are invisible and are supposed to block the camera's ability to see the license-plate numbers (it makes the whole license-plate reflect in one big white shiny light-blob), but I can't attest to their effectiveness, if any.

If your car gets zapped and you get a ticket, depending on the local jurisdiction, you can go to court, file an affidavit, and swear you weren't driving if someone else was driving your car at the time. But, of course, to lie about it is perjury, and the state is going to expect to have the fine paid one way or another...if not by you, then by who was driving....and then it's your word against his or hers. They will then go after the person at the wheel....although if the car was stolen, of course, it will have to be listed as such.


i'm so glad we have the law on this side for us in FL....


In 2005, the state attorney general ruled that Section 316.002 of the Florida Statutes makes it illegal for a municipality "to pass or to attempt to enforce any ordinance" in conflict with the provisions of the state traffic code (view ruling). Although the state code has a provision mandating that traffic tickets be issued only by a police officer who witnessed the crime, several cities have ignored the requirement and claimed their ordinances treating red light running as a code violation were not subject to state law.
link: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/30/3059.asp

mmarshall Jul 20, 2010 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by baddis es (Post 5655837)
i'm so glad we have the law on this side for us in FL....



Although the state code has a provision mandating that traffic tickets be issued only by a police officer who witnessed the crime, several cities have ignored the requirement and claimed their ordinances treating red light running as a code violation were not subject to state law.


Sounds like there's a conflict there in FL as to just what is and is not legal. That's something that, of course, we can't settle here on CL.

baddis es Jul 20, 2010 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by mmarshall (Post 5655848)
Sounds like there's a conflict there in FL as to just what is and is not legal. That's something that, of course, we can't settle here on CL.


sorry, i should of given the judges decision...


A Miami-Dade County Circuit Court judge has ruled that red light cameras may not be legally used to issue traffic citations in the state of Florida. Judge Gerald Bagley yesterday dismissed charges against motorist Richard Masone who had received a red light camera ticket in the mail from American Traffic Solutions (ATS). The company operates the program on behalf of the city of Aventura.

PhilipMSPT Jul 20, 2010 10:49 PM

Those cameras scared the crap out of me when I visited Phoenix earlier this year...


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