Infiniti M Coupe and Convertible NOT Under Consideration (Infiniti says nope!)
05-18-10, 01:06 PM
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I think some here are prognosticating based on their dislike for the IS-C's looks (which I share in part). But claims need to be backed up by facts. In lieu of more detailed info, here's what I've found:
The HS 250h is not selling as highly as hoped, but the IS 250 C and 350 C are meeting targets as of late 2009. Moreover, as Ward's reports when the HS and other sales targets were lowered, but apparently hasn't with the IS-C, it appears that the IS-C is doing fine.
More stats may be forthcoming, but according to TMC's releases, Japan production and sales #s tell part of the story (and given how TMC production/sales are closely matched):
I live in LA too and I've seen dozens of IS-Cs, downtown, on the freeways, and some in the valleys. It's anecdotal, but there are two factors here: 1) low price, comparatively, 2) amenities (trunk space, four usable seats, etc.), and 3) Lexus brand.
Back to the M, I think the case for a coupe may be bolstered by the G37 coupe's success, while a convertible may be more iffy, given the smaller market for the G37c (probably due its significantly higher cost), but perhaps at the midsize market it will be better (can get away with charging more).
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More stats may be forthcoming, but according to TMC's releases, Japan production and sales #s tell part of the story (and given how TMC production/sales are closely matched):
2009 production, IS (43,369), IS C (14,315), IS F (1,116)
2009 sales, Japan, IS (3,687), IS C (1,116), IS F (475)
2009 sales, US, IS (38,077) all models
2009 sales, Japan, IS (3,687), IS C (1,116), IS F (475)
2009 sales, US, IS (38,077) all models
Back to the M, I think the case for a coupe may be bolstered by the G37 coupe's success, while a convertible may be more iffy, given the smaller market for the G37c (probably due its significantly higher cost), but perhaps at the midsize market it will be better (can get away with charging more).
05-18-10, 01:27 PM
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You assumed I didn't drive the M56 and assume I've never been to NY and clearly got owned both times.
And you have absolutely no facts to back up the IS-C being any kind of success, none. Since I live in the most populated region in the country, and I'm on the road daily in a mix of city/highway driving, I can only use my eyes as a way to judge the most frequently seen cars on the road. The IS-C isn't even on the radar.
Exactly, for all we know, Lexus sells 50 units/month of the IS-C. That being said, what is the best way to judge if the car is a success if we don't have sales figures? If you actually SEE IT on the road. I see tons of Maximas, ES350s, G37 coupes, A4s, A5s, etc. The IS-C is one of the least seen luxury cars on the road.
Why are you hung up on not seeing a car that isn't going to sell much in the first place? This is about the M37/56 coupe!Well, as 1SickLex has mentioned time and time again, reaching sales goals is much more important than actual total units sold. That is, after all, his basis for calling the new TL a complete FAIL. So that being the case, both the IS-C and HS250H are complete failures, because neither one are reaching sales goals.
Then Encore posted the facts, the IS-C is selling fine!
You need to concern yourself with Infiniti which has failed for most of its 20 years as an entire brand. You are here making jabs at the minority of Lexus models that may not have done so well. Why?
Since you conveniently ignored the argument I brought up in my last post, let me try this again, with a little more detail. Here's some sales stats, right from this site:
May 2009: 2913 units of IS sold.
June 2009: 3465 units of IS sold. (first month IS-C went on sale)
July 2009: 4029 units of IS sold.
Clearly the IS-C boosted the overall IS sales by a good margin.
As far as you not seeing it on the road, maybe you should invest in a pair of glasses, because I live in the same city as you, and I see them fairly frequent. Not as frequent as the 3 series coupe/convertible - these are really dollar a bucket, but there's a good number of them out there, especially the past couple weekends, the weather was warm, and I saw quite a few with the top down.
May 2009: 2913 units of IS sold.
June 2009: 3465 units of IS sold. (first month IS-C went on sale)
July 2009: 4029 units of IS sold.
Clearly the IS-C boosted the overall IS sales by a good margin.
As far as you not seeing it on the road, maybe you should invest in a pair of glasses, because I live in the same city as you, and I see them fairly frequent. Not as frequent as the 3 series coupe/convertible - these are really dollar a bucket, but there's a good number of them out there, especially the past couple weekends, the weather was warm, and I saw quite a few with the top down.
You again conveniently miss that to make a slight at me. Why are people discussing the IS-C here? Its not even potential M37/56 competition!
I think some here are prognosticating based on their dislike for the IS-C's looks (which I share in part). But claims need to be backed up by facts. In lieu of more detailed info, here's what I've found:
The HS 250h is not selling as highly as hoped, but the IS 250 C and 350 C are meeting targets as of late 2009. Moreover, as Ward's reports when the HS and other sales targets were lowered, but apparently hasn't with the IS-C, it appears that the IS-C is doing fine.
More stats may be forthcoming, but according to TMC's releases, Japan production and sales #s tell part of the story (and given how TMC production/sales are closely matched):
The HS 250h is not selling as highly as hoped, but the IS 250 C and 350 C are meeting targets as of late 2009. Moreover, as Ward's reports when the HS and other sales targets were lowered, but apparently hasn't with the IS-C, it appears that the IS-C is doing fine.
More stats may be forthcoming, but according to TMC's releases, Japan production and sales #s tell part of the story (and given how TMC production/sales are closely matched):
05-18-10, 01:35 PM
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05-18-10, 01:36 PM
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Guys keep this discussion focused on the potential M Coupe and Convertible please.
05-19-10, 09:55 AM
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Well I called it. Seems it is coming and something else. Hopefully it is the vehicle(s) and not a computer image release.
So it might be a coupe/hardtop convert.
Or maybe a M37/56 coupe and a GT-R based coupe?
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/05/19/i...-pebble-beach/
So it might be a coupe/hardtop convert.
Or maybe a M37/56 coupe and a GT-R based coupe?
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/05/19/i...-pebble-beach/
For the past two years, Infiniti has been growing its presence in Pebble Beach. The week-long auto extravaganza in August plays host to a number of automaker events, but recently, Infiniti has been taking center stage. For 2010, Nissan's premium channel isn't letting up, bringing two M-based models to the party in Pebble, both of which are slated for production.
We don't have specifics on either model, but in addition to the image above, our sources within Infiniti tell us that the new coupe variants will be extensions of its current lineup, lending credence to recent rumors of an M coupe.
More interestingly, we've been told that both models will "extend Infiniti into an area we haven't been before" and that one of those models will be more "performance oriented." If that means we can expect some kind of powertrain similar to the Essence Concept that debuted at the Geneva Motor Show last year – a twin-turbo, direct injected V6 putting out over 450 horsepower – consider our interest incredibly piqued.
Both models are set to go on sale in October or November of this year, with the M35 Hybrid arriving sometime toward the end of 2011.
We don't have specifics on either model, but in addition to the image above, our sources within Infiniti tell us that the new coupe variants will be extensions of its current lineup, lending credence to recent rumors of an M coupe.
More interestingly, we've been told that both models will "extend Infiniti into an area we haven't been before" and that one of those models will be more "performance oriented." If that means we can expect some kind of powertrain similar to the Essence Concept that debuted at the Geneva Motor Show last year – a twin-turbo, direct injected V6 putting out over 450 horsepower – consider our interest incredibly piqued.
Both models are set to go on sale in October or November of this year, with the M35 Hybrid arriving sometime toward the end of 2011.
05-19-10, 02:28 PM
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I'm really excited about this and hoping for a coupe...fingers crossed...
Knowing that it will be an "extension" of the M line really narrows down the possibilities- coupe, convertible, wagon (not gonna happen), 4 door coupe (probably not gonna happen, or high performance a la M5. As a big fan of the new M, I am excited to see any of those options come to fruition.
Knowing that it will be an "extension" of the M line really narrows down the possibilities- coupe, convertible, wagon (not gonna happen), 4 door coupe (probably not gonna happen, or high performance a la M5. As a big fan of the new M, I am excited to see any of those options come to fruition.
05-25-10, 07:32 AM
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Posted in the other thread.......Copied here...
So it might be the Leaf rebadge or maybe the 370Z rebadge rumored a year or so ago...I hope its not ANOTHER SUV.
Last week, there had been talk that a new sketch from Infiniti, which featured brush-stroked vehicle outlines, indicated that the carmaker will be launching a two-door version of its new 2011 M sedan.
However, Infiniti denied this, saying that the sketch is a preview of some models that will be introduced at the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance this year. In fact, an Infiniti spokesperson gave a statement that the idea of an M coupe is “so far off the charts.” The tease that came out during the official drive program for the 2011 QX sport utility, shows 2 “product extensions.” 1 has the design of a “volume-oriented” luxury vehicle while the other is a “performance-oriented” offering. A source said that the sketch previews the G sedan and coupe. Already, fans are excited about seeing a four-cylinder G model and a G37 version that could rival the Lexus’ IS F-Sport range.
However, Infiniti denied this, saying that the sketch is a preview of some models that will be introduced at the Pebble Beach Concours d’Elegance this year. In fact, an Infiniti spokesperson gave a statement that the idea of an M coupe is “so far off the charts.” The tease that came out during the official drive program for the 2011 QX sport utility, shows 2 “product extensions.” 1 has the design of a “volume-oriented” luxury vehicle while the other is a “performance-oriented” offering. A source said that the sketch previews the G sedan and coupe. Already, fans are excited about seeing a four-cylinder G model and a G37 version that could rival the Lexus’ IS F-Sport range.
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