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Old Mar 22, 2010 | 12:12 PM
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You knew it would only take time before General Motors took on Ford and its EcoBoost engine, and that time has just about come reports GMInsideNews. According to GMI’s sources inside General Motors, the automaker is currently in development of a 3.0-liter V6 with twin-turbochargers. There’s no word on actual output, but the same sources say it should rival the larger (3.5-liter) Ford powerplant. Ford’s EcoBoost engine makes 365-hp in the SHO and was designed as a V8 replacement.

The engine’s code is LF3, in direct reference to the LF1 direct-injection 3.0L V6 currently offered in several GM products.

Currently GM offers a turbocharged 2.8-liter V6 in the Cadillac SRX (above), which makes 300-hp and 295 ft-lbs of torque, so a reasonable bump over that output is certain.

This new twin-turbo V6 is expected in the flagship Cadillac XTS around 2012 and is likely to be used in several other GM products, including the upcoming 3 Series fighter, the ATS. In addition, there’s even a strong possibility that such a motor could find its way into the Camaro – something which was previewed at last year’s SEMA Show, when GM showed a twin-turbo 3.6-liter V6 stuffed under the hood of the muscle car.
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Old Mar 22, 2010 | 12:24 PM
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Presumably a variant of this new GM 3.0L which isn't all that potent nor is it efficient. Great.
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Old Mar 22, 2010 | 05:26 PM
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Presumably a variant of this new GM 3.0L which isn't all that potent nor is it efficient. Great.
My thoughts exactly. The turbo-charged 2.8 V6 is also rather unimpressive in power and fuel economy and if the soonest GM can get this powerplant out is the 2012 model year, they may be going up against a newer Ford Ecoboost engine by that time.
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Old Mar 22, 2010 | 05:34 PM
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Interesting stuff as I just read an article in this month's Road and Track about a (Jay) Leno Camaro. It had a Twin Turbo V-6 that Jay put in it so that it would be lighter and handle better like the std V6 Camaro but have over 400hp like the V8 Camaro.

Knowing this and the show car they mention in the article I'd say there is more than just a possibility it will end up in the Camaro.
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Old Mar 22, 2010 | 05:54 PM
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Yeeaaahh, that's an engine I wouldn't want to own in it's first year.
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Old Mar 22, 2010 | 06:26 PM
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The EcoBoost engine should still have a sufficient amount of potential in it to combat this rival engine from GM. Only time will tell
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Old Mar 22, 2010 | 09:56 PM
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EcoBoost is a lame name and Ford should dump it. There's nothing strong-sounding about it when you add in the word "echo." And it doesn't even live up to anything super green or efficient.
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^^I agree. I've thought the same thing since day one.
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 04:12 AM
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GM could call it "GreenCharged"
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 05:42 AM
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The EcoBoost was originally called the TwinForce. But, in this day of green PC-ness...

I drove an EcoBoost MKS and was very pleased with the linear power delivery. The 30-60 MPH acceleration was effortless. However, I elected not to buy that engine in its first year, either. The stock 3.7L felt like a slug in comparison and sounded like it was always working hard to move the car.
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 05:54 AM
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GM could call it "GreenCharged"
Nah, they call it something worse like "Fuel saver engine" or "Northstar Jr."
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 09:18 AM
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How about just "Twin Turbo"
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 10:06 AM
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This wouldn't really be that new for GM. Almost twenty years ago, they did a 4.3L Vortech turbo V6 in the GMC Syclone pickup and Typhoon compact SUV. That powerplant turned both vehicles into what was, at the time, two of the fastest production trucks/SUVs on the planet, and tire/suspension lowering/upgades did the same for handling. Some of you older guys, I'm sure, will remember them.

Too bad GM, at the time, wouldn't allow any towing with them.





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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 10:08 AM
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^^^, yep I remember those fast but junky trucks.

Good thing they didn't allow towing on those things, it would have resulted in some serious overheating and tranny warranty claims.
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Originally Posted by caddyowner
Yeeaaahh, that's an engine I wouldn't want to own in it's first year.
Sadly you bring up a good point, based on history of some GM products.

But in the modern era, top tier car companies can no longer use this as excuse for poor reliability. New engine launches are expected to have been through extensive durability and reliability testing before production release.
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