Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.

2011 Hyundai Sonata Official Thread (Pricing announced)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-03-09, 12:26 PM
  #61  
The G Man
Lexus Test Driver
 
The G Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: MA
Posts: 8,696
Received 68 Likes on 56 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by IS350jet
McDonalds sells more burgers than anyone on planet earth. Does that mean no one on planet earth has a better burger? Product quality has very little to do with it. The Camry and Accord outsell the Sonata (for now) because they have history, consistent build quality, low cost of ownership, and an expectation of reliability that they've been able to sustain for many, many years.
Who sells a better burger than Mcdonald for a $1
The G Man is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 12:29 PM
  #62  
IS-SV
Lexus Fanatic
 
IS-SV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: tech capital
Posts: 14,100
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by The G Man
Who sells a better burger than Mcdonald for a $1
My preference is In&Out Burger for $1 and change.
IS-SV is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 12:34 PM
  #63  
The G Man
Lexus Test Driver
 
The G Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: MA
Posts: 8,696
Received 68 Likes on 56 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by IS-SV
My preference is In&Out Burger for $1 and change.
Must be a CA chain, we dont have one here in the Northeast. In and Out burger is actually a good example of the difference between Hyundai and Toyota. What good is a product if I have to drive a long distance to buy it and for repair. Hyundai need more dealership and better customer service if they want to play with the big boyz.
The G Man is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 01:08 PM
  #64  
LexFather
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Originally Posted by IS350jet
McDonalds sells more burgers than anyone on planet earth. Does that mean no one on planet earth has a better burger? Product quality has very little to do with it. The Camry and Accord outsell the Sonata (for now) because they have history, consistent build quality, low cost of ownership, and an expectation of reliability that they've been able to sustain for many, many years.
Don't worry. If you said the same thing about the Golf or Jetta or 3 series..which all are some of the best sellers worldwide, then it would be said "oh you can sell the best and be the best"

Its amazing to see examples flipped around based on car manufacturer. Its also old.
 
Old 12-03-09, 01:27 PM
  #65  
ninous26
Driver
 
ninous26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Arizona
Posts: 177
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Car looks hot from the outside except for any pics that shows the front.. Side profile is alright.. That interior is freaking HOT! Nice!
ninous26 is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 01:31 PM
  #66  
ninous26
Driver
 
ninous26's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Arizona
Posts: 177
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Honestly though, the people who keep saying Hyundai has matured are dead wrong. As much as I think the newer Hyundais are nice cars they're build quality and reliability is still crap. For instance my best friends dad has an 08 V6 sonata and it has a few annoying problems.. Things like the driver side fog light fell back inside the bumper and its pointing up.. CD error, and the front windshield visors sag a lot!
ninous26 is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 01:55 PM
  #67  
IS-SV
Lexus Fanatic
 
IS-SV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: tech capital
Posts: 14,100
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Another successful version of the Sonota, I'm expecting sales to increase.
IS-SV is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 02:02 PM
  #68  
C. McHale
Rookie
 
C. McHale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: IL
Posts: 84
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by The G Man
Then explain to me why the Camry and Accord sells better yet the Sonata is so obviously the better car.
Ignorance.

Talk to any common person who doesn't know much about cars, and they will almost always automatically assume everything Toyota/Honda makes is the best.

This is also why the Camry also continues to outsell the Ford Fusion, even though the Fusion is a better vehicle in just about every conceivable way.
C. McHale is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 02:07 PM
  #69  
IS-SV
Lexus Fanatic
 
IS-SV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: tech capital
Posts: 14,100
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Camry and Accord are both solid cars with proven long-term trends in reliability, resale value and durability (not to mention refinement, customer satisfaction). It takes years to establish that kind of track record backed up by companies with strong financials and a diverse portfolio of good cars. As good as the Ford Fusion is, it has many years to go to establish that type of record.

Camry and Accords sales success is not driven by ignorance.
IS-SV is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 02:11 PM
  #70  
IS-SV
Lexus Fanatic
 
IS-SV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: tech capital
Posts: 14,100
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Originally Posted by ninous26
Honestly though, the people who keep saying Hyundai has matured are dead wrong. As much as I think the newer Hyundais are nice cars they're build quality and reliability is still crap. For instance my best friends dad has an 08 V6 sonata and it has a few annoying problems.. Things like the driver side fog light fell back inside the bumper and its pointing up.. CD error, and the front windshield visors sag a lot!
Sounds like an abused ex-rental car.
IS-SV is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 02:35 PM
  #71  
bitkahuna
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
 
bitkahuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Present
Posts: 73,762
Received 2,126 Likes on 1,378 Posts
Default

the most recent half dozen burger comparison posts are gone. take it elsewhere.
bitkahuna is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 02:35 PM
  #72  
bitkahuna
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
 
bitkahuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Present
Posts: 73,762
Received 2,126 Likes on 1,378 Posts
Default

this sonata has a lot of 'content' but i think the exterior is pretty awkward and ugly.
fusion isn't much of a looker really but i like it better than this.
bitkahuna is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 02:49 PM
  #73  
FisforFast
F is for Fraud
 
FisforFast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Québec
Posts: 1,174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I don't know what you guys are on but this is exceptional for a $30-40k car.
FisforFast is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 02:53 PM
  #74  
RXSF
Moderator
 
RXSF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 12,044
Likes: 0
Received 69 Likes on 42 Posts
Default

its a sub 20K car in the US. good for the money
RXSF is offline  
Old 12-03-09, 02:58 PM
  #75  
FisforFast
F is for Fraud
 
FisforFast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Québec
Posts: 1,174
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by RXSF
its a sub 20K car in the US. good for the money
You can probably get a fully-equipped one for about $35k here. If it stays in that price bracket (which it probably will seeing they have the Genesis), this thing will be a steal.
FisforFast is offline  


Quick Reply: 2011 Hyundai Sonata Official Thread (Pricing announced)



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:02 AM.