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DustinV 08-14-09 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by Och (Post 4766317)
And that my friend is just not true. I would know, I grew up in Russia. All Russian cars were poorly built and ran like crap from the factory, and broke down constantly. Pretty much every car owner there had to be learn to fix them, and spend a lot of their free time fixing their cars. To make matters worse, parts were expensive and not readily available, so people did get creative. On the plus side, the cars were basic and simple so they were easier to work on.

That's not what I heard and read. Russian cars were applauded for their reliability and solidity. Many Russian cars from the Soviet era were even exported to Western Europe and the UK - and this is where the good reports about reliability come from.

Obviously I cannot speak for Russian cars in Russia, but the general perception is that they were reliable and solid.




Originally Posted by Och (Post 4766317)
They might be soldering on, but in what shape? Again, these cars are very simple and have no modern features, so its relatively easy to keep them going, even if they are squeaking, rusting apart, coughing, chocking and smoking.

I guarantee you, a modern car from any brand (even Toyota and Lexus) won't last as long out there. The complexities of modern cars make this impossible.

Simple and and basic engineering are they key to why these cars have soldiered on so long. Sure, the body is often rusted but the chassis and mechanical components are working fine. Do-it-yourself work is also possible on these older cars. For a modern car to properly function you don't need a mechanic but a computer technician...

Och 08-14-09 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by DustinV (Post 4766341)
That's not what I heard and read. Russian cars were applauded for their reliability and solidity. Many Russian cars from the Soviet era were even exported to Western Europe and the UK - and this is where the good reports about reliability come from.

Obviously I cannot speak for Russian cars in Russia, but the general perception is that they were reliable and solid.

Trust me on this one, reliable they were not. They also didnt get exported much beyond the eastern Europe, they simply wouldnt pass emissions in civilized countries. Even with their tiny engines they produced clouds of smoke from the exaust.





Originally Posted by DustinV (Post 4766341)
I guarantee you, a modern car from any brand (even Toyota and Lexus) won't last as long out there. The complexities of modern cars make this impossible.

Simple and and basic engineering are they key to why these cars have soldiered on so long. Sure, the body is often rusted but the chassis and mechanical components are working fine. Do-it-yourself work is also possible on these older cars. For a modern car to properly function you don't need a mechanic but a computer technician...

Well, of course. A simple broken power steering pump or a stuck AC pulley will pretty much render any modern car next to useless. Anything a bit more serious, like hydrolocking the engine, and its doomed. At the same time you have these older cars with no features, primitive drivetrains that can be rebuilt with basic tools, and so on.

To put things in perspective, I know a Russian guy who completely rebuilt the engine in his Russian truck back in the 80ies, down to welding together the crankshaft that broke in half. Yet, when he saw me replacing the timing belt in my LS, he said he would never attempt to do it himself because of how complicated it looked.

Och 08-14-09 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by DustinV (Post 4766341)
Sure, the body is often rusted but the chassis and mechanical components are working fine.

Often even the mechanical componenets arent working right. The engine would be chocking and smoking, suspension would be non existant, no brakes, wobbling wheels, tires that are beyond bald, etc.

DustinV 08-14-09 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by Och (Post 4766364)
Trust me on this one, reliable they were not. They also didnt get exported much beyond the eastern Europe, they simply wouldnt pass emissions in civilized countries. Even with their tiny engines they produced clouds of smoke from the exaust.

These cars were sold in the United Kingdom and Western Europe. As far as I know the polluting engines were removed and replaced with either Renault, Peugeot or Fiat engines and thus the cars were deemed satisfactory for Western Europe.

Trabants, Wartburgs and Barkas from Eastern Germany are apparently also very reliable cars and highly sought-after collectibles here by real car enthusiasts. The Wartburg sedans in particular have a very good durability reputation it seems.

Och 08-14-09 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by DustinV (Post 4766374)
These cars were sold in the United Kingdom and Western Europe. As far as I know the polluting engines were removed and replaced with either Renault, Peugeot or Fiat engines and thus the cars were deemed satisfactory for Western Europe.

I doubt if they managed to sell very many of them.



Originally Posted by DustinV (Post 4766374)
Trabants, Wartburgs and Barkas from Eastern Germany are apparently also very reliable cars and highly sought-after collectibles here by real car enthusiasts. The Wartburg sedans in particular have a very good durability reputation it seems.

I really dont know much about these three.

garbage85 08-14-09 07:32 PM

woah!!! I love it!

Red Bully 08-14-09 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by bad co (Post 4766190)
I hope this is good, because the last good think that came out of russia is this.
http://files.coloribus.com/files/pae...ew_600_838.jpg

easy guy our women are quite good to :D

FIGS 08-14-09 09:55 PM

uh those could be real thrusters...they are russian after all ;)

f=ma 08-15-09 12:10 AM


Originally Posted by bad co (Post 4766190)
I hope this is good, because the last good think that came out of russia is this.
http://files.coloribus.com/files/pae...ew_600_838.jpg

and this.
http://rawsport.files.wordpress.com/...-sharapova.jpg

i dunno who would buy that super car, but its nice that there's more selection now these days.

Jewcano 08-15-09 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by Och (Post 4766317)
And that my friend is just not true. I would know, I grew up in Russia. All Russian cars were poorly built and ran like crap from the factory, and broke down constantly. Pretty much every car owner there had to be learn to fix them, and spend a lot of their free time fixing their cars. To make matters worse, parts were expensive and not readily available, so people did get creative. On the plus side, the cars were basic and simple so they were easier to work on.

I was going to say, thank you. My dad told me about when his brother bought a Moskvitch, and how much of a POS that thing was. He was telling me how they replaced the motor like 3 or 4 times, and how shoddily it was built. Shame my uncle didn't keep it when coming here, would of been an interesting piece to drive here, granted if it could make it.

LexFather 08-15-09 08:33 AM

Its different!

bad co 08-15-09 11:42 AM

What Jeremy forgot to mention is the good ol Maluch ;p
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...6/Fiat126p.jpg

montgb 08-15-09 12:05 PM

Those Marussia cars look as manly and virile as comrade Putin himself!! :p

But joking aside, I love the looks of next year's concept. I'll take mine in satin black, please!

Amini9 08-15-09 10:04 PM

will it force communism on me? :)

nice looking car .. looks like an enzo or something in the front though. the back makes it looks like it guzzles gas like crazy !

UberNoob 08-16-09 12:34 AM

looks like a sleeker but more exaggerated lamborghini

in mother russia, you dont drive the car

the car drives you


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