Water 4 Gas?
04-15-08, 11:45 AM
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Water 4 Gas?
Have any of you guys heard of this? I cannot imagine anything like this actually working, but what do you guys think.
Is it feasible?
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm
Is it feasible?
http://water4gas.com/2books.htm
04-15-08, 12:01 PM
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electrolysis adds another step that robs efficiency in the overall energy balance. I'd rather use that electricity to directly charge a battery and run an electric motor of which is 90% efficient. Not to mention the abyssmal energy density of hydrogen. Youd have to fill up every 1-2 days, annoying
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04-15-08, 03:32 PM
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I am no scientist, but it sounds like a scam to me.
HHO is not really a gas - it is a mixture of two gases H2 and O2.
To obtain H2 and O2 from water, you must use electrolysis, which is very energy-intensive. The resulting gas can be burned, but you will not obtain net energy from this (you will invest more energy to obtain HHO than you will obtain from burning it).
If you think about it (even in non-scientific terms), it make sense. You started with water and ended up with water (after burning the gas), so at best, you can break even. In the real world, there is an energy penalty for energy transfer. And since we're not dealing with fission or fusion here, but just a chemical reaction, there is no conversion of mass into energy.
If you could do that and obtain energy from it, you could also walk around a block downhill all the way, all the time - that's just not how it works.
HHO is not really a gas - it is a mixture of two gases H2 and O2.
To obtain H2 and O2 from water, you must use electrolysis, which is very energy-intensive. The resulting gas can be burned, but you will not obtain net energy from this (you will invest more energy to obtain HHO than you will obtain from burning it).
If you think about it (even in non-scientific terms), it make sense. You started with water and ended up with water (after burning the gas), so at best, you can break even. In the real world, there is an energy penalty for energy transfer. And since we're not dealing with fission or fusion here, but just a chemical reaction, there is no conversion of mass into energy.
If you could do that and obtain energy from it, you could also walk around a block downhill all the way, all the time - that's just not how it works.
07-15-08, 11:44 PM
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Science or Marketing?
This seams interesting and if BrownGas (HHO) actually makes gasoline more combustible, I would think this would be beneficial in many cars. I think that the issue we would have in a lexus is that the sensors would register the air/fuel mixture as having too much oxygen and therefore add more gas, resulting in less fuel economy, but maybe more power. Again, assuming that adding HHO to the air/fuel mixture is beneficial. I guess that would be the first thing to test.
The quality of systems recommended by sites like water4gas do not seem to be on par with the quality of a lexus, but the general idea sounds feasible. Add Hydrogen and Oxygen gas to the air/fuel mixture to lower the amount of gas needed to generate clean power. "Giving you more bang for you buck".
If the electricity demands to generate HHO on the fly are to great for the car, you might be able to upgrade the alternator & battery to accommodate. Again, this is all assuming that you can mix fuels to achieve a benefit. What would happen if you added small amounts of NOS to the combustion process? Would that too allow you to use less gasoline, achieving better MPG, power and/or cleaner emissions? What about a NOS like system using hydrogen and/or oxygen instead?
I am sure very few of us would be willing to try this on our Lexus's without proper testing and verification, but this is either interesting science or good marketing....
The quality of systems recommended by sites like water4gas do not seem to be on par with the quality of a lexus, but the general idea sounds feasible. Add Hydrogen and Oxygen gas to the air/fuel mixture to lower the amount of gas needed to generate clean power. "Giving you more bang for you buck".
If the electricity demands to generate HHO on the fly are to great for the car, you might be able to upgrade the alternator & battery to accommodate. Again, this is all assuming that you can mix fuels to achieve a benefit. What would happen if you added small amounts of NOS to the combustion process? Would that too allow you to use less gasoline, achieving better MPG, power and/or cleaner emissions? What about a NOS like system using hydrogen and/or oxygen instead?
I am sure very few of us would be willing to try this on our Lexus's without proper testing and verification, but this is either interesting science or good marketing....
07-16-08, 01:11 AM
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I donno,...
Seems like its working for some people, take a look see....
http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=15
Seems like its working for some people, take a look see....
http://www.fuel-saver.org/Forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=15
07-24-08, 06:52 PM
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07-24-08, 07:03 PM
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There is a method to this. It has been proven to work. I've done extensive research and eventually decided to not do it on my Lexus. But, it can improve mpg with the right setup and some experimentation. I am including a download for one of the more known HHO setups for vehicles. It's called a Smack's Booster. You can watch his videos on Youtube. Apparently he gets great results...
ENJOY!!
ENJOY!!
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07-24-08, 10:03 PM
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There is a method to this. It has been proven to work. I've done extensive research and eventually decided to not do it on my Lexus. But, it can improve mpg with the right setup and some experimentation. I am including a download for one of the more known HHO setups for vehicles. It's called a Smack's Booster. You can watch his videos on Youtube. Apparently he gets great results...
ENJOY!!
ENJOY!!
