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tfz_hebe89 04-05-08 04:53 PM

what does "coupe" refer to?
 
the question is written on the title..

from my knowledge..coupe means 'two door', but how can a car be 4-door coupe?? How can it make sense?

Example: VW Passat 4-door coupe?

Can some1 clarify this please:D

kt22cliff 04-05-08 05:02 PM

Well originally coupe did mean two doors but now those "4door coupe" mean cars with coupe like styling mainly sloping roofline


Originally Posted by tfz_hebe89 (Post 3421932)
the question is written on the title..

from my knowledge..coupe means 'two door', but how can a car be 4-door coupe?? How can it make sense?

Example: VW Passat 4-door coupe?

Can some1 clarify this please:D


CK6Speed 04-05-08 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by tfz_hebe89 (Post 3421932)
the question is written on the title..

from my knowledge..coupe means 'two door', but how can a car be 4-door coupe?? How can it make sense?

Example: VW Passat 4-door coupe?

Can some1 clarify this please:D

A 4-Door Coupe is marketing spin for those that believe it. It it made up by the manufacturers. IMHO, it doesn't exist. No matter how the CLS may look, it has 4-Doors so I refuse to call it or recognize it as a Coupe.

PhilipMSPT 04-05-08 06:20 PM

Coupe = no B-Pillar.

For example:

Mercedes CL550 has no B-pillar:

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/M.../RightSide.jpg

Mercedesl CLS does:

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/M...s/LeftSide.jpg

UDel 04-05-08 07:21 PM

It is stupid they are calling some of these new sedans 4 door coupes because they are not coupes. A coupe is a 2 door car that usaully has a rear seat and generally not as hardcare as a 2 seat sports car with more space and features. A CLS is a 4 door SEDAN plain and simple that is lower and swoopier and more stylish then most sedans but it is not a coupe, I don't even know why they call it a coupe. It does not even look like a coupe with 4 doors but a low sleeker 4 door sedan. A RX8 looks kind of like a coupe with 4 doors but it is still a 4 door with 2 suicide doors and not a coupe in my book but something else. All these cars coming out are just stylish lower sleeker 4 door sedans not 4 door coupes. A coupe has 2 doors period not 4. It is purely marketing and pretty dumb marketing at that but maybe somepeople buy into it and think they are driving a coupe with 4 doors.:uh:

XeroK00L 04-05-08 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT (Post 3422085)
Coupe = no B-Pillar.

Actually most coupes do have a B-pillar; only a few do not. I'll stick to the 2-door definition.:D
http://www.motiontrends.com/2006/m04...s_Coupe_5a.jpg

blacksc400 04-05-08 07:33 PM

yes, my SC has b-pillar! :D

kit cat 04-05-08 07:34 PM

and conversely, in Japanese, we call 4 door sedans without b-pillars a "hardtop sedan".

edit: IE: GX81 MarkII = had both hardtop and sedan, Chaser was a hardtop and Cresta was a hardtop sedan.

CK6Speed 04-05-08 07:57 PM

To be honest, I haven't seen a 4-Door car that looks like a coupe anyway. Not even the CLS looks like a Coupe. Cars like the RX8 come close since the rear doors are suicide doors though.

PhilipMSPT 04-05-08 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by XeroK00L (Post 3422203)
Actually most coupes do have a B-pillar; only a few do not. I'll stick to the 2-door definition.:D
http://www.motiontrends.com/2006/m04...s_Coupe_5a.jpg





Actually, those "coupes" with B-pillars are not classically defined as coupes.




"Real" coupes:

http://www.slashgear.com/gallery/dat...che-Cayman.jpg

http://www.londonmotorcars.com/photo...green-side.JPG

https://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/...0c5814259f.jpg




"Fake" coupes (like sedans turned into coupes, such as the 3-Series):

http://www.londonmotorcars.com/photo...coupe-side.JPG

https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1279...ad62328eec.jpg

https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1364...1e33c12420.jpg

LexFather 04-05-08 09:01 PM

Philip, I've never read about the "b-pillar" part...The SC 300/400 is a coupe for instance.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...c/c2/SC400.jpg
A closed car with two side doors and less than 33 cubic feet of rear interior volume, according to measurements based on SAE standard J1100. ...
http://www.caranddriver.com/glossary...-of-terms.html

Generally, a two-door car with close-coupled passenger compartment.
www.autotrader.com/help/glossary.jsp

A coupé (from the French couper to cut) or coupe is a car body style with a close-coupled interior offering either two seats or 2+2 seating (space for two passengers up front and for two occasional passengers in the rear). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupe

The CLS, VW CC, are not coupes.....just marketing....

PhilipMSPT 04-05-08 09:11 PM

O.K. O.K...

Wikipedia got this even more complicated...

CK6Speed 04-05-08 09:18 PM

Lets just all agree that 4-Doors are NOT coupes period. We can argue the details of what makes a real coupe later:D

LexFather 04-05-08 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by CK6Speed (Post 3422414)
Lets just all agree that 4-Doors are NOT coupes period. We can argue the details of what makes a real coupe later:D

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CleanSC 04-05-08 10:24 PM

To add so some of the confusion...

Along some model lines "coupes" are 2-door cars with trunks. If it had a rear hatch, it was a hatch, lift, or fastback.

The Celica was differentiated like this since it was introduced in the early 70's until 1999. You had your coupe and your hatchback, both were 2-doors.

So coupe in this case meant 2-doors with a trunk.

Or was that all marketing, too? :uh: :D


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