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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by thetopdog
I'm sure the 8 speed transmission helps. Also, the LS460 is probably tuned a lot less aggressively than something like the G37
And there you have it.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 02:22 PM
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Sloppy design? Problematic? If the engine is maintained properly, it lasts just as long as any. I've owned several Northstar Caddy's.. I sold my first with 110,000 miles - it never had any major issues and ran like a brand new engine. My brother-in-law had one with 170,000 miles before he got rid of his. It was also running 100% perfectly when he got rid of it.

The Northstar is a world class engine. I don't know where you heard it was sloppy and problematic.

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Lexus very first engine, the 1UZ-FE is a DOHC 32 valve v8, and its probably the most reliable engine on the planet. So it's not the complexity that makes the Northstar problematic, it's just that its a sloppy design by GM and Opel.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 02:42 PM
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As mentioned, Cadillac isn't giving up on v8s. They're simply not continuing on with the Northstar. They'll likely be using the LSx version of their engines and will work a little harder at the NVH that go along with them.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano
Sloppy design? Problematic? If the engine is maintained properly, it lasts just as long as any. I've owned several Northstar Caddy's.. I sold my first with 110,000 miles - it never had any major issues and ran like a brand new engine. My brother-in-law had one with 170,000 miles before he got rid of his. It was also running 100% perfectly when he got rid of it.

The Northstar is a world class engine. I don't know where you heard it was sloppy and problematic.
It is not a grossly unreliable engine (there are lots worse), but it does have a worse-than-average tendency to use oil.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 02:55 PM
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The use of oil was more for protection than anything. Being that I own and operate the Cadillac equivalent to ClubLexus, I've had the honor of speaking directly with the most involved engineer of the Northstar motor. If you can take my word for it, the "use" of oil was not an accident. If you cannot take my word for it, I'll do what I can to find what you need to know. However, that will take me some time..

In short, it had to do with over-lubrication...
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 02:59 PM
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Furthermore.. The Northstar wasn't "not a grossly unreliable engine". It was actually quite reliable. However, as indicated in the owners manual, it was of supreme importance to take care of the cooling system. Unlike many engines, maintenance was very important. Those who neglected their engines had problems.

So the most common issue was being a quart short at the time of an oil change. If that's a big deal, than I don't know what to say. But, that quart short was normal.

Does anyone here know how long a Northstar engine could run at redline for?
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano
The use of oil was more for protection than anything. Being that I own and operate the Cadillac equivalent to ClubLexus, I've had the honor of speaking directly with the most involved engineer of the Northstar motor. If you can take my word for it, the "use" of oil was not an accident. If you cannot take my word for it, I'll do what I can to find what you need to know. However, that will take me some time..

In short, it had to do with over-lubrication...
Your word taken......you probably know more about the Northstar than I do. Not having owned one or had long-term experience with one, I just go by what I have read about it in auto columns, Consumer Reports, and what repair/service shops have had to say about them. They all agree on high oil use...for whatever reason.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 03:08 PM
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I suppose that regardless of the reason, every Northstar dropping a quart of oil every 3,000 miles isn't very good. Especially in these times..
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano
I don't know where you heard it was sloppy and problematic.
From me. Read earlier into the thread. Terribly unreliable even with a pristine service record. When spark plugs and wires only last 2000 miles then you have a problem
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SLegacy99
From me. Read earlier into the thread. Terribly unreliable even with a pristine service record. When spark plugs and wires only last 2000 miles then you have a problem
If I could pull up a similar issue with, say, an 05 LS430 owned by a relative, would that make the 4.3 sloppy and problematic?
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Sal Collaziano
If I could pull up a similar issue with, say, an 05 LS430 owned by a relative, would that make the 4.3 sloppy and problematic?
Yes. What, you think Ive got some kind of allegiance to an automanufacturer? If the engine has continuous problems then that is not a good engine. I don't care who makes it.
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by SLegacy99
Yes. What, you think Ive got some kind of allegiance to an automanufacturer? If the engine has continuous problems then that is not a good engine. I don't care who makes it.
What I'm saying is:

Terribly unreliable even with a pristine service record. When spark plugs and wires only last 2000 miles then you have a problem.
...unless that is a common occurrence, than I don't see what relevancy it has to the Northstar as a whole.. It seems more like an individual problem than one experienced by the masses. I certainly have heard nothing of meticulously maintained Northstar engines having major problems. Sure, there's one guy here and one guy there - and the one who has a lemon. But as a whole? No. The engine is extremely reliable.

"sloppy design" and "problematic" are words that should not be used in the same sentence as "Northstar".
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SLegacy99
Yes. What, you think Ive got some kind of allegiance to an automanufacturer? If the engine has continuous problems then that is not a good engine. I don't care who makes it.
But that's just one engine out of many thousands, is it not?
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RX_330
But that's just one engine out of many thousands, is it not?
Apparently not.

http://www.carsurvey.org/modelyear_O...rora_1995.html

http://www.carsurvey.org/modelyear_O...rora_1996.html

* My pop had a '95.

http://www.carsurvey.org/model_Oldsmobile_Aurora.html
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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 05:15 PM
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The Northstar was a world class engine......many years ago. Most car companies have engineered better engines in the past 5-10 years. But it is a bright spot for Cadillac in what was a very dim period for them.
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