Future Lincoln models fwd/awd
08-21-04, 01:50 PM
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Future Lincoln models fwd/awd
Lincoln sees no need to go exotic
Published August 18, 2004
Ford division has a $139,000 GT sports car.
Cadillac, the chief rival of Lincoln division, has a $76,200 XLR sports car.
So it seemed only logical to ask Phil Martens, group vice president of product creation for Ford Motor Co., whether Lincoln might call on Ford to provide it with a derivative of the exotic GT to compete against the Cadillac XLR?
"Lincoln can focus on $30,000-to-$50,000 vehicles because we have Aston Martin, Jaguar and Land Rover to handle the upper end of the market," Martens replied.
"The best sellers in the luxury segment are in the $30,000 to $50,000 range. Above $50,000, sales start to trickle off. Over $60,000, and you reach rarefied air," he added.
"There's no reason for us to have a Lincoln GT. A Lincoln GT need not be made," he replied.
Turning to Cadillac again, this fall it brings out the STS sedan. What about a rival from Lincoln that promises rear-wheel-/all-wheel-drive? Lincoln is promising the midsize Zephyr for 2006 that will offer front-wheel-/all-wheel-drive.
"Long term, Lincoln doesn't need a rear-drive sedan. Everyone is converging on all-wheel-drive. It took the population some time to become sophisticated to front-drive and now the public has become very sophisticated with all-wheel-drive," he said.
That fits with reports (Business, July 21) that Lincoln plans to replace the LS with a larger AWD/FWD derivative of the Ford Five Hundred in '08 and replace the Town Car with an AWD/FWD derivative of the Five Hundred in '09.
Published August 18, 2004
Ford division has a $139,000 GT sports car.
Cadillac, the chief rival of Lincoln division, has a $76,200 XLR sports car.
So it seemed only logical to ask Phil Martens, group vice president of product creation for Ford Motor Co., whether Lincoln might call on Ford to provide it with a derivative of the exotic GT to compete against the Cadillac XLR?
"Lincoln can focus on $30,000-to-$50,000 vehicles because we have Aston Martin, Jaguar and Land Rover to handle the upper end of the market," Martens replied.
"The best sellers in the luxury segment are in the $30,000 to $50,000 range. Above $50,000, sales start to trickle off. Over $60,000, and you reach rarefied air," he added.
"There's no reason for us to have a Lincoln GT. A Lincoln GT need not be made," he replied.
Turning to Cadillac again, this fall it brings out the STS sedan. What about a rival from Lincoln that promises rear-wheel-/all-wheel-drive? Lincoln is promising the midsize Zephyr for 2006 that will offer front-wheel-/all-wheel-drive.
"Long term, Lincoln doesn't need a rear-drive sedan. Everyone is converging on all-wheel-drive. It took the population some time to become sophisticated to front-drive and now the public has become very sophisticated with all-wheel-drive," he said.
That fits with reports (Business, July 21) that Lincoln plans to replace the LS with a larger AWD/FWD derivative of the Ford Five Hundred in '08 and replace the Town Car with an AWD/FWD derivative of the Five Hundred in '09.
Jaguar = Lexus
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08-21-04, 02:50 PM
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I think I'm going to end myself. When I see a company like Lincoln, a company built on RWD, saying they have no long-term need for RWD, I want to vomit.
Just read that! It's like they're say, "Well, everyone else is jumping off the bridge, so we will too."
I can't imagine the next LS and TownCar being FWD-bias AWD, but that's where it seems to be going. The next Lincolns will probably be built on the Ford 500, which itself is derived from the Volvo XC90. That's right kids, the TownCar will have its roots in a Swedish front-bias AWD SUV platform.
The auto industry has gotten a serious case of mental retardation, and looks like they're taking the express to hell because of it.
Shoot
me
now.
Having said that, however, I could really care less about Lincoln. However, this seems to be the beginning of a disturbing trend that will probably spread to many other makes.
Just read that! It's like they're say, "Well, everyone else is jumping off the bridge, so we will too."
I can't imagine the next LS and TownCar being FWD-bias AWD, but that's where it seems to be going. The next Lincolns will probably be built on the Ford 500, which itself is derived from the Volvo XC90. That's right kids, the TownCar will have its roots in a Swedish front-bias AWD SUV platform.
The auto industry has gotten a serious case of mental retardation, and looks like they're taking the express to hell because of it.
Shoot
me
now.
Having said that, however, I could really care less about Lincoln. However, this seems to be the beginning of a disturbing trend that will probably spread to many other makes.
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08-21-04, 03:55 PM
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What the hell does this mean:
"Long term, Lincoln doesn't need a rear-drive sedan. Everyone is converging on all-wheel-drive. It took the population some time to become sophisticated to front-drive and now the public has become very sophisticated with all-wheel-drive," he said.
????????????????????
How is FWD "sophisticated"?
That's a Chris Bangle argument.
They say ... and I hear:
"Well, it took the retarded luxury car-buying public a few decades to succumb to our trying to save a couple bucks on a cheaper drive-line on account of our poor corporate structure, sloppy engineering, and bland designs. We're pretty much in the begining of a new cycle of that. So eat it car buying public and make sure to check our incentives before you walk over to the Lexus dealership - you won't find 2,000 dollars cash-in-hand over there!"
M.
"Long term, Lincoln doesn't need a rear-drive sedan. Everyone is converging on all-wheel-drive. It took the population some time to become sophisticated to front-drive and now the public has become very sophisticated with all-wheel-drive," he said.
????????????????????
How is FWD "sophisticated"?
That's a Chris Bangle argument.
They say ... and I hear:
"Well, it took the retarded luxury car-buying public a few decades to succumb to our trying to save a couple bucks on a cheaper drive-line on account of our poor corporate structure, sloppy engineering, and bland designs. We're pretty much in the begining of a new cycle of that. So eat it car buying public and make sure to check our incentives before you walk over to the Lexus dealership - you won't find 2,000 dollars cash-in-hand over there!"
M.
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08-21-04, 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
FUnny thing is driving my FWD ES right now=
FUnny thing is driving my FWD ES right now=
ES is a cool FWD, especially in the rarified manual-transmission form.
08-23-04, 08:48 AM
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To say that FWD s - - - is being way overly simplistic.
FWD, RWD...and, especially, AWD, all have advantages and disadvantages. These have all been discussed quite throughly in these forums, so there is no need to re-hash them here again.
FWD, RWD...and, especially, AWD, all have advantages and disadvantages. These have all been discussed quite throughly in these forums, so there is no need to re-hash them here again.
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