Self-Driving Vehicles
01-17-17, 06:09 AM
#316
Super Moderator
That hole has been plugged (on vehicles that have the update, which takes 45 minutes to manually apply via a thumbdrive), but the same researchers demonstrated last year that far more invasive control is possible, with the right access. Right now they have to be physically connected to the car to do so, but it's just another cellular/WiFi exploit or poorly secured insurance company dongle away from elevating back to remote control.
01-17-17, 06:35 AM
#317
Pole Position
The security risks to semi-autonomous and fully-autonomous driving vehicles are huge. But engineers and scientists are pretty smart. They will come up with solutions that will work 99% of the time. For the doubters, remember no system is perfect. Even now, several thousand people die on our roads every year from distracted driving and or from making mistakes due to inexperienced driving. The same will hold true for autonomous vehicles (i.e., accidents will happen but fatalities will be far fewer). One can never plan or predict every possible scenario. But these AI systems will learn and improve.
To Och's points about inaccurate GPS, sure there will be situations where GPS signals won't be good, and you won't use the fully autonomous driving mode. Then again, vehicles use other methods to locate in dense urban environments, not just GPS, and cities and automakers are embedding other technologies into our infrastructure to address these concerns.
So, autonomous vehicles may not fully supplant human drivers in 16 years. But it is likely that a significant fraction of vehicles in the first world will be autonomous. Due to this and other developments in ride sharing and public transport, I wouldn't be surprised if most 16 year-olds in the US haven't learned to drive in 2033.
To Och's points about inaccurate GPS, sure there will be situations where GPS signals won't be good, and you won't use the fully autonomous driving mode. Then again, vehicles use other methods to locate in dense urban environments, not just GPS, and cities and automakers are embedding other technologies into our infrastructure to address these concerns.
So, autonomous vehicles may not fully supplant human drivers in 16 years. But it is likely that a significant fraction of vehicles in the first world will be autonomous. Due to this and other developments in ride sharing and public transport, I wouldn't be surprised if most 16 year-olds in the US haven't learned to drive in 2033.
01-17-17, 07:26 AM
#318
The security risks to semi-autonomous and fully-autonomous driving vehicles are huge. But engineers and scientists are pretty smart. They will come up with solutions that will work 99% of the time. For the doubters, remember no system is perfect. Even now, several thousand people die on our roads every year from distracted driving and or from making mistakes due to inexperienced driving. The same will hold true for autonomous vehicles (i.e., accidents will happen but fatalities will be far fewer). One can never plan or predict every possible scenario. But these AI systems will learn and improve.
To Och's points about inaccurate GPS, sure there will be situations where GPS signals won't be good, and you won't use the fully autonomous driving mode. Then again, vehicles use other methods to locate in dense urban environments, not just GPS, and cities and automakers are embedding other technologies into our infrastructure to address these concerns.
So, autonomous vehicles may not fully supplant human drivers in 16 years. But it is likely that a significant fraction of vehicles in the first world will be autonomous. Due to this and other developments in ride sharing and public transport, I wouldn't be surprised if most 16 year-olds in the US haven't learned to drive in 2033.
To Och's points about inaccurate GPS, sure there will be situations where GPS signals won't be good, and you won't use the fully autonomous driving mode. Then again, vehicles use other methods to locate in dense urban environments, not just GPS, and cities and automakers are embedding other technologies into our infrastructure to address these concerns.
So, autonomous vehicles may not fully supplant human drivers in 16 years. But it is likely that a significant fraction of vehicles in the first world will be autonomous. Due to this and other developments in ride sharing and public transport, I wouldn't be surprised if most 16 year-olds in the US haven't learned to drive in 2033.
01-17-17, 08:07 AM
#319
Lexus Fanatic
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if you think drivers are distracted now, wait until they're wearing VR headsets. 
01-17-17, 11:22 AM
#320
Also you all need to drive into some of the more rural parts of this country. They don't have $$$$$ for new cars, much less self driving cars. Everybody is driving some piece of junk that's at least 10, if not 15 or 20 years old. 16 year olds in that part of the country need to learn how to drive because there is no uber, no trains, cars are the only way to get around. Even if they don't get a car of their own right when they get their license at 16, they'll have one by the time they're 18 or 19, and it will most likely be OLD because that's all they can afford.
Also I don't think car makers like Ford(or even a progressive company like Tesla) are going to build entirely autonomous vehicles because they would be the ones left holding the liability bag when it crashes, not the driver like it is today. The potential liability to the car maker would be so high it could potentially bankrupt them.
Also I don't think car makers like Ford(or even a progressive company like Tesla) are going to build entirely autonomous vehicles because they would be the ones left holding the liability bag when it crashes, not the driver like it is today. The potential liability to the car maker would be so high it could potentially bankrupt them.
01-17-17, 12:12 PM
#321
Also you all need to drive into some of the more rural parts of this country. They don't have $$$$$ for new cars, much less self driving cars. Everybody is driving some piece of junk that's at least 10, if not 15 or 20 years old. 16 year olds in that part of the country need to learn how to drive because there is no uber, no trains, cars are the only way to get around. Even if they don't get a car of their own right when they get their license at 16, they'll have one by the time they're 18 or 19, and it will most likely be OLD because that's all they can afford.
This whole self driving car lunacy only works in a perfect world, where the car is brand new with zero mechanical wear and all electronics and computers are in perfect working order, somewhere in a sunny part of California on a road specifically built for self driving cars to take 45 year old lumbersexual hipsters to pick up beard oil from a dedicated Whole Foods store while sipping on their glutten free kale latte paid for by mommy and daddy. In the real world - not so much.
01-17-17, 12:43 PM
#322
Exactly. And try other countries, where people are lucky to be able to afford a beat up scooter, much less a car.
This whole self driving car lunacy only works in a perfect world, where the car is brand new with zero mechanical wear and all electronics and computers are in perfect working order, somewhere in a sunny part of California on a road specifically built for self driving cars to take 45 year old lumbersexual hipsters to pick up beard oil from a dedicated Whole Foods store while sipping on their glutten free kale latte paid for by mommy and daddy. In the real world - not so much.
This whole self driving car lunacy only works in a perfect world, where the car is brand new with zero mechanical wear and all electronics and computers are in perfect working order, somewhere in a sunny part of California on a road specifically built for self driving cars to take 45 year old lumbersexual hipsters to pick up beard oil from a dedicated Whole Foods store while sipping on their glutten free kale latte paid for by mommy and daddy. In the real world - not so much.
01-17-17, 01:30 PM
#323
Yeah, I could see certain roads (freeways in particular) that were populated by autonomous cars. But too many variables on regular city streets PLUS the litigation possibilities.
Reminds me of the zoomy illustrations of flying cars from the 50's. It demonstrates that just because someone can think up something doesn't make it practical. Remember the flying car concept by a guy named Moeller (I think that's how it was spelled). What a crock, yet the guy got lots of coverage.
Reminds me of the zoomy illustrations of flying cars from the 50's. It demonstrates that just because someone can think up something doesn't make it practical. Remember the flying car concept by a guy named Moeller (I think that's how it was spelled). What a crock, yet the guy got lots of coverage.
01-17-17, 01:58 PM
#324
Possibly. Possibly not. It is like today's youth generation being raised on cell phones and ipods. Little interaction with the outside world, less speech skills, less social skills, stunted emotional skills, less survival and independent skills. Driving is similar, in that you gain skills and strengths that you cannot gain elsewhere in the real world. That is truly a pity. Today's young generation is not better off in many regards. I see this in my work profession daily. We sell products that are hands on and do not give instant gratification. Kids 20 years ago loved it, now today don't get it.
I agree that people have an increasing dependence on technology, and some have cell phone/technology addictions, too. The latter I hope we can do something about, but the former is already an irreversible trend, and one that I'm mostly OK with. Yeah, if the earth is ever hit with giant EMP, we're all pretty much screwed, save for the small percentage of people living off the grid, but as technology continues to improve, it's only natural to become increasingly dependent on it, and for the most part, I think it does better our lives and free up more time for us to enjoy ourselves or pursue productive interests.
01-17-17, 02:18 PM
#326
Lexus Fanatic
It's getting harder and harder to find traditional 3-pedal manuals today....even a lot of Miatas are sold with automatics LOL.
01-17-17, 02:31 PM
#327
