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I think east coast where I live just needs a better network. Here is an example. I charge to the recommended 80% every night which gives me “224” miles of range. I went to a few different places, ran some errands, took my daughter to a party, went to dinner, etc. I didn’t plan out the day but that is how it went.
When I was coming home from dropping my daughter off I was down to 30 miles of range left but I would have to go back and get my daughter later which was 30-35 minutes away. I said heck let me find a supercharger nearby since I have free supercharging. Well I put it in my Tesla nav and I would have had to go in the opposite direction 15 minutes to do that. So 15 minutes there and 15 minutes back to my route plus charging time. Obviously I’m not doing that on a Saturday night so I just went home and plugged in but not long enough before I had to pick my daughter up so I took my sons Tucson instead but I really wanted to drive my Plaid. Now that is some real life stuff, doesn’t happen often but a nuisance when it does.
yeah, thats how it works. Plus plaid, if on 19, has really good range.
East coast charging really does suck. Do we know if the TZ has a heat pump? That will impact the winter hit too. My R1S with the A/T package gets an indicated 274 (although in the summer I get closer to 300). When I do my weekly Connecticut commute in the summer, I leave the house at 80% and arrive around 30%. This past winter I would get to work with between 15-18% because I don't have a heat pump and it makes a huge difference when it's 7-14F out at highway speeds
TZ does have a heatpump. All new TMC evs have heatpump sandard now.
Also it is perfectly normal for heat/snow andd driving speed to do the difference between 30% left and 15% left.
Its not going to be like a gas car, but if they want to get to serious levels of adoption without forcing people to adopt it needs to get closer than it is now in terms of travel for cars that are typically used for travel. Family vehicles with only 300 miles of range aren’t going to win people over. 300 miles of range for a regular car people don’t buy with the plans of traveling with family is fine.
And again if you don’t find humor in the total and complete 180 you have done on the subject you must be humorless lol. You were saying in that quote you want the car to charge in 5 minutes, and now you’re arguing with me that I should want to charge for 30-60 minutes and be fine.
The most ridiculous part of this whole argument is it all comes from me saying I want 350 miles of range.
Yeah, how did this work out? 5 years ago you dismissed every issue I had with EVs. And you even proclaimed that there were EVs that would work for you then, but you just didn't "like" any of them. And then proclaimed that it would be "better".
Fast forward 5 years and here we are. Like I said, gets real when it's your life and money that will be impacted and it's not just sitting around telling everyone else their issues are invalid. Much more difficult when it comes your time to put up or shut up.
But throwing up things said a year or more ago in my face is what got one of my wives divorced, she loved to do that and is now ex wife. Haha
Luckily for Bob he and I aren't married lol
Originally Posted by Bob04
Yeah, how did this work out? 5 years ago you dismissed every issue I had with EVs. And you even proclaimed that there were EVs that would work for you then, but you just didn't "like" any of them. And then proclaimed that it would be "better".
Fast forward 5 years and here we are. Like I said, gets real when it's your life and money that will be impacted and it's not just sitting around telling everyone else their issues are invalid. Much more difficult when it comes your time to put up or shut up.
Different vehicles. I would buy an EV for myself right now, but this is replacing our family vehicle that we travel in...different set of criteria.
I absolutely would buy an EV with 300 miles of range to replace my S580 today if it was a vehicle I really liked. I came very close with the i7 but I just decided I liked the S Class better. If they had made the S Class in an EV with 300 miles of range thats what I would have bought. I wasn't considering a gas 7 series only the i7.
I have two VERY well off friends who both went back to ICE after leasing Teslas. Both of them loved their Teslas, but found the inconveniences too inconvenient.
I think east coast where I live just needs a better network. Here is an example. I charge to the recommended 80% every night which gives me “224” miles of range. I went to a few different places, ran some errands, took my daughter to a party, went to dinner, etc. I didn’t plan out the day but that is how it went.
When I was coming home from dropping my daughter off I was down to 30 miles of range left but I would have to go back and get my daughter later which was 30-35 minutes away. I said heck let me find a supercharger nearby since I have free supercharging. Well I put it in my Tesla nav and I would have had to go in the opposite direction 15 minutes to do that. So 15 minutes there and 15 minutes back to my route plus charging time. Obviously I’m not doing that on a Saturday night so I just went home and plugged in but not long enough before I had to pick my daughter up so I took my sons Tucson instead but I really wanted to drive my Plaid. Now that is some real life stuff, doesn’t happen often but a nuisance when it does.
Your 80% is 224? That seems low. My 80% is 226 and my car is 4 years old now. Did you mean 244?
I think east coast where I live just needs a better network. Here is an example. I charge to the recommended 80% every night which gives me “224” miles of range. I went to a few different places, ran some errands, took my daughter to a party, went to dinner, etc. I didn’t plan out the day but that is how it went.
When I was coming home from dropping my daughter off I was down to 30 miles of range left but I would have to go back and get my daughter later which was 30-35 minutes away. I said heck let me find a supercharger nearby since I have free supercharging. Well I put it in my Tesla nav and I would have had to go in the opposite direction 15 minutes to do that. So 15 minutes there and 15 minutes back to my route plus charging time. Obviously I’m not doing that on a Saturday night so I just went home and plugged in but not long enough before I had to pick my daughter up so I took my sons Tucson instead but I really wanted to drive my Plaid. Now that is some real life stuff, doesn’t happen often but a nuisance when it does.
This is a real life honest feedback. How much did you actually drive? It doesn't look anywhere near 200 driving distance, does it? From my experience estimated range only gives you an idea. What's worse is sometimes a nearby station is down. And you're too far from home. Over the weekend we had a longer than our normal drive but nothing crazy. I know I would have plenty of juice left both ways. But I was curious to see what's available on the route. Here is what it looked like.
I think east coast where I live just needs a better network. Here is an example. I charge to the recommended 80% every night which gives me “224” miles of range. I went to a few different places, ran some errands, took my daughter to a party, went to dinner, etc. I didn’t plan out the day but that is how it went.
When I was coming home from dropping my daughter off I was down to 30 miles of range left but I would have to go back and get my daughter later which was 30-35 minutes away. I said heck let me find a supercharger nearby since I have free supercharging. Well I put it in my Tesla nav and I would have had to go in the opposite direction 15 minutes to do that. So 15 minutes there and 15 minutes back to my route plus charging time. Obviously I’m not doing that on a Saturday night so I just went home and plugged in but not long enough before I had to pick my daughter up so I took my sons Tucson instead but I really wanted to drive my Plaid. Now that is some real life stuff, doesn’t happen often but a nuisance when it does.
Great post. Some of my days with the RZ 450e were similar. Still really liked the vehicle but some days it was a headache. Not going to even post about it anymore,
Great post. Some of my days with the RZ 450e were similar. Still really liked the vehicle but some days it was a headache. Not going to even post about it anymore,
RZ450e was not a great example though. New one might be better, especially fwd version. More range, easier charging, much faster charging.
there is nothing wrong with posting your ev opinion, i dont know why today everything needs to be one size fits all.
Would you have same opinion of RZ450e if it had 100 miles more range, charged 15m faster and was routing you to all chargers around you appropriately?
so almost 200 mi. of errands and tasks locally… not exactly usual for most people, lol.
I didn’t plan on driving 200 miles in a day and I’m skeptical that I actually did. I think the 224 miles of range is optimistic with my 21” wheels. I did a decent amount of back and forth driving but it didn’t feel like 200 miles.
Originally Posted by Bob04
Your 80% is 224? That seems low. My 80% is 226 and my car is 4 years old now. Did you mean 244?
I’m positive it’s 224 miles because I charge to that every night but remember I have 21” wheels. It used to be higher when I first got the car but it came down a little.
Originally Posted by 1111GS
This is a real life honest feedback. How much did you actually drive? It doesn't look anywhere near 200 driving distance, does it? From my experience estimated range only gives you an idea. What's worse is sometimes a nearby station is down. And you're too far from home. Over the weekend we had a longer than our normal drive but nothing crazy. I know I would have plenty of juice left both ways. But I was curious to see what's available on the route. Here is what it looked like.
I’m skeptical I drive 200 miles but it is what it is and all I know is by the end of the day I didn’t have much juice left. As I mentioned, I didn’t plan on driving that much but I did. Had I planned it I would have charged at the Tesla showroom that was close to one of my stops but that is the difference, you have to plan vs not plan in the east coast where I live.
I’m positive it’s 224 miles because I charge to that every night but remember I have 21” wheels. It used to be higher when I first got the car but it came down a little.
I changed to 21s (velarium) a while back and updated the settings. The picture in the car on the center screen shows the 21s, but they look like the arachnids since that was the 21s at the time. It dropped about 35 miles in range from the 19s.
Probably not a big deal anyway. All these range/battery health statuses are just software estimates anyway. I don't put a lot of faith in how accurate they are. I bet I have an older version that is more optimistic. Tesla lowered range estimates in the last few years of the S, especially for cars with the 21s.
Over the weekend we had a longer than our normal drive but nothing crazy. I know I would have plenty of juice left both ways. But I was curious to see what's available on the route. Here is what it looked like. 
