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my model y would do OVER 300 miles highway on a full charge. (more like 330)
so Och driving down the 250 would mean no charging needed, you’d have well over 50mi. range left while there if you don’t charge.
go to a super charger before leaving or nearby. per google:
(Even) In freezing winter conditions, a Tesla Model Y takes roughly 25 to 45 minutes to Supercharge from 10% to 80%.
my model y would do OVER 300 miles highway on a full charge. (more like 330)
so Och driving down the 250 would mean no charging needed, you’d have well over 50mi. range left while there if you don’t charge.
go to a super charger before leaving or nearby. per google:
and much quicker if it’s not freezing.
80% of 330 is 264, so you can get home.
absolutely not the 2 hours Och is talking about.
Not going to go back and fourth with arguments that we've had a million times on this site, but you are presenting the most ideal scenarios, which is just disingenuous.
If you had a way to easy charge at destination, you probably could do without charging, no matter what the circumstances, at least if you got some fairly efficient vehicle.
A lot of this does depend on local infra, which does vary city to city, country to country.
For my locations, hardest trip left for me is if i have to go in and out, 450+ miles in same day, where I get to drive 90-100 mph and go up and down a mountain.
Location of charging stations make me stop 2x 30m, and I have 50% when I am back home.
Certainly nothing wrong with sticking to ICE, but carmakers have invested a LOT in EVs, almost to the ruin of some of them. If they want adopters who aren't inclined to put up with big lifestyle changes to adopt EVs they need to try and make the experience of driving an EV as similar to an ICE vehicle as possible...and better range in vehicles that are likely to be driven on trips is a big part of that.
Couple of things to factor in, Och, that you may or may not already know about to address your winter scenario. First thing is battery preconditioning, where you use your home charger to warm the battery to optimum temperature before you leave home. That has a dramatic impact on winter range loss. Most EVs also do the same before you arrive at a DCFC stop, ensuring the battery is at its optimum temperature to receive a fast charge. They will also route to help ensure that your planned charging is within the optimum charging range for your battery, in other words taking in whatever charge it wants you to onboard within (usually) 15% or so up to 80% or so. Taken together this helps ensure the shortest charge with the highest yield, even when ambient temperatures are low. Assuming you can start with a fully charged warm battery you’re going to minimize range loss, most likely quite substantially, and require fewer shorter top ups.
Not going to go back and fourth with arguments that we've had a million times on this site, but you are presenting the most ideal scenarios, which is just disingenuous.
not at all… i presented a freezing cold scenario lol.
how about this…
my hyundai and the genesis get about 270 and 290 mi. range respectively. there’s a free (EA) charging point 200mi. from the house. we just charge there on our trips. 15 minutes is plenty and we get to where we’re going (about another 65mi.) with loads of range left (could even drive back to same charger on way home).
but ok, they’re not for you yet. no problem.
about the freezing weather, that is one scenario i won’t have to deal with - ever wherever i move to.
@SW17LS has a good point. And there is something to be said in thar Lexus is a “supposed” to be a luxury brand and 300 miles simply doesn’t cut it. Not for a premium price tag.
The TZ is typical Toyota/Lexus of the modern era. Kinda mediocre Just when one thinks Lexus might have it in a new model, Lexus lets everyone down. No different than the absence of a V8 in the LX.
Looking at the Canadian website, it’s hilarious that Lexus makes note that 300 miles is on a full 100% charge and 20c-25c weather lol.
lol. Fake V10 sounds
Nice Lexus has a sunshade, but it’s time to update the design of those ancient headrests
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I think east coast where I live just needs a better network. Here is an example. I charge to the recommended 80% every night which gives me “224” miles of range. I went to a few different places, ran some errands, took my daughter to a party, went to dinner, etc. I didn’t plan out the day but that is how it went.
When I was coming home from dropping my daughter off I was down to 30 miles of range left but I would have to go back and get my daughter later which was 30-35 minutes away. I said heck let me find a supercharger nearby since I have free supercharging. Well I put it in my Tesla nav and I would have had to go in the opposite direction 15 minutes to do that. So 15 minutes there and 15 minutes back to my route plus charging time. Obviously I’m not doing that on a Saturday night so I just went home and plugged in but not long enough before I had to pick my daughter up so I took my sons Tucson instead but I really wanted to drive my Plaid. Now that is some real life stuff, doesn’t happen often but a nuisance when it does.
I think east coast where I live just needs a better network. Here is an example. I charge to the recommended 80% every night which gives me “224” miles of range. I went to a few different places, ran some errands, took my daughter to a party, went to dinner, etc. I didn’t plan out the day but that is how it went.
When I was coming home from dropping my daughter off I was down to 30 miles of range left but I would have to go back and get my daughter later which was 30-35 minutes away. I said heck let me find a supercharger nearby since I have free supercharging. Well I put it in my Tesla nav and I would have had to go in the opposite direction 15 minutes to do that. So 15 minutes there and 15 minutes back to my route plus charging time. Obviously I’m not doing that on a Saturday night so I just went home and plugged in but not long enough before I had to pick my daughter up so I took my sons Tucson instead but I really wanted to drive my Plaid. Now that is some real life stuff, doesn’t happen often but a nuisance when it does.
so almost 200 mi. of errands and tasks locally… not exactly usual for most people, lol.
but yup, ev’s today do require an ‘awareness’ and planning ahead sometimes. in your 200+ miles of driving i think it would have occurred to me that maybe a quick ‘just in case’ stop at one of probably several superchargers you drove right by for even 10 minutes would be a good idea, lol.
my wife will sometimes forget to plug in her car at home when charge level is low, although she’s gotten a lot better at being aware of charge level. i can check her car on the app on my phone so sometime i’ll just plug it in.
I think east coast where I live just needs a better network. Here is an example. I charge to the recommended 80% every night which gives me “224” miles of range. I went to a few different places, ran some errands, took my daughter to a party, went to dinner, etc. I didn’t plan out the day but that is how it went.
When I was coming home from dropping my daughter off I was down to 30 miles of range left but I would have to go back and get my daughter later which was 30-35 minutes away. I said heck let me find a supercharger nearby since I have free supercharging. Well I put it in my Tesla nav and I would have had to go in the opposite direction 15 minutes to do that. So 15 minutes there and 15 minutes back to my route plus charging time. Obviously I’m not doing that on a Saturday night so I just went home and plugged in but not long enough before I had to pick my daughter up so I took my sons Tucson instead but I really wanted to drive my Plaid. Now that is some real life stuff, doesn’t happen often but a nuisance when it does.
East coast charging really does suck. Do we know if the TZ has a heat pump? That will impact the winter hit too. My R1S with the A/T package gets an indicated 274 (although in the summer I get closer to 300). When I do my weekly Connecticut commute in the summer, I leave the house at 80% and arrive around 30%. This past winter I would get to work with between 15-18% because I don't have a heat pump and it makes a huge difference when it's 7-14F out at highway speeds
so almost 200 mi. of errands and tasks locally… not exactly usual for most people, lol.
but yup, ev’s today do require an ‘awareness’ and planning ahead sometimes. in your 200+ miles of driving i think it would have occurred to me that maybe a quick ‘just in case’ stop at one of probably several superchargers you drove right by for even 10 minutes would be a good idea, lol.
my wife will sometimes forget to plug in her car at home when charge level is low, although she’s gotten a lot better at being aware of charge level. i can check her car on the app on my phone so sometime i’ll just plug it in.
Does your wife drive your Tesla too? Does she have a preference?
but yup, ev’s today do require an ‘awareness’ and planning ahead sometimes. in your 200+ miles of driving i think it would have occurred to me that maybe a quick ‘just in case’ stop at one of probably several superchargers you drove right by for even 10 minutes would be a good idea, lol..
That's what I would have done too or charge to 100% that day at home. Charging the car to 100% occasionally isn't going to hurt the car, contrary to what most people think.
Its not going to be like a gas car, but if they want to get to serious levels of adoption without forcing people to adopt it needs to get closer than it is now in terms of travel for cars that are typically used for travel. Family vehicles with only 300 miles of range aren’t going to win people over. 300 miles of range for a regular car people don’t buy with the plans of traveling with family is fine.
And again if you don’t find humor in the total and complete 180 you have done on the subject you must be humorless lol. You were saying in that quote you want the car to charge in 5 minutes, and now you’re arguing with me that I should want to charge for 30-60 minutes and be fine.
The most ridiculous part of this whole argument is it all comes from me saying I want 350 miles of range.
