This ^ ^. 👍

 

no one's told anyone how to live. steve is just pouting the tz doesn't have 350mi. of range.

 

I thought the requirement was 600 mile range with a charge time of 3 minutes, no way we can wait more than what it takes to get 100 gallons of gas.

 

The people who liked and responded to my post disagree. Whether you realize it or not its how it comes across and thats why people are frustrated with the EV evangelists here (including you) and elsewhere.

Other people have expressed the same issue here in this thread, why don't you go harass them?

And we're talking in abstract here, but until they bring the experience closer to that of an ICE car, EV market share will not grow significantly from where it is now. Nobody is complaining endlessly, you just keep arguing with me about it. Stop trying to put me down and tell me I'm wrong and it will stop.

Not only you its the whole attitude of EV evangelists in general. Its very off putting and as someone who tends to recoil from things that people are zealots about it truly does turn me off from getting an EV.

I mean I couldn't even post a thread about how much I like PHEVs without you guys attacking me for it.

Because we are talking about this model here and what we each individually think about it as a package, like we do all models we discuss here. I've explained what the issues are with the Gravity and the R1S for us.

And we can express our frustration with that. Why don't you let my opinion of it go and just stop challenging me about it? I have a right to express my opinion, just leave me the **** alone about it.

I don't want to have to rewire my cousins house because of the vehicle I choose to drive. Do you not see thats a very strange solution? "Just rewire your family's house". What if he doesn't want his house rewired?! Thats not a solution, a solution is building out more infrastructure in less populated areas (which is happening) and release vehicles with more battery capacity.

This is the problem, I have said no such thing. I said I want more range...and thats somehow an attack on you personally. Its ridiculous. As I demonstrated its not 15 minutes, its 45-60 minutes out of a 5 hour trip. Thats increasing the legnth of the trip by 20%. 400 miles of range makes it 15 minutes and thats fine.

 

I fail to understand@SW17LS is actually in the TZ market and states some of his buying requirements and this is a problem. It is quite unbelievable and he is absolutely correct all the constant badgering is unappealing.

Some ICE buyers also have a range requirement. As a matter of fact one of the negatives people state about owning a Lexus crossover or suv is the small tank. Some people avoid the LX due to a small tank x lower MPG. A LX owner can gas up anytime anywhere. Steve is simply stating some of his concerns with range and wants 350. People state their issues with charging and waiting and that gets attacked as well.

Today I left the thread. Over it. I jump back in and see more pompous commentary.
Not against the rules but it stinks a thread up. I prefer fresh air.


Here fixed it for you.

If anyone has a long winded response save your breathe, it won’t be read.

Maybe everyone sit down and see the other side for ten seconds and don’t be so full of yourself and argumentative especially when someone is sharing something as simple as buying requirements.

 

Thank you!

 

I can only speak for myself, I am on both sides.

 

I am too. And with almost 450 posts and 12k views this is probably the most commented TZ post anywhere on the internet

CL wins lol

 

I hope the TZ sells like crazy and forces Toyota/Lexus to make more EVs.

 

Great post and the dilemma me and others are wrestling with.

For my already long 750 mile trip I take once a year I don't want to add any more stress or work to it.

There's a time and place for everything but while I'm tired and trying to get to the hotel room I can't do that.

Traveling is work.
When I was young and full of vigor, sure add an extra hour in the trip, no biggie. Lol

However, as @spwolf mentions, there's massive time saved thru the rest of the year because I'd be charging at home.

I totally understand both sides and enjoy hearing everyone's ideas.

 

i’m not putting you down and it’s not a personal attack. my issue is you bringing up the “not enough range” every. single. post. you’ve been heard/read, loud and clear. got it. it’s not for you. and others like you. oky doky then.

ok fine, don’t get one then, lol.

i don’t recall any personal attacks but the phev is as several have said, the worst of all worlds. most complex, tiny range, still has to be charged, still have all the ice maintenance, most cost. but sure it’s given you a tiny taste of ev life for local trips.

i didn’t say anything about rewiring his house, i thought you said he has a dryer plug in his garage. whatever.

anyway, i hope you find your dream ev at some point.

 

Oh please. When you continually reference my "unreasonable" requirements you're denigrating my position and you know it. Like I said before...just quit arguing with me about it! If you would stop trying to convince me that I'm being "unreasonable" and that my "trip to podunk nowhere" is something "nobody else would ever do" then I would quit having to defend that position. Read what Mike said, he hit the nail on the head.

You should go back and read the thread. You and the usual suspects basically belittled me to no end for liking PHEVs.

Glomming onto someone else's electricity also isn't a solution for me. I want to be able to stop somewhere and recharge my vehicle on my own dime. If it were my vacation home or something that would be a different story. Not to say I wouldn't do that when visiting family...but I'd like to not HAVE to do that...

I have no doubt that I will, legacy carmakers just have to offer more range. I'd get a Rivian R1S right now if my wife liked it, and a Lucid Gravity if I liked it. It will come along.

 

I get accused of this which I have never done.
I challenge anyone to show me these 100's of posts I've made in non-EV threads telling people they are wrong and why EVs are better.

Show me how many posts I've made in this thread for example
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...nt-thread.html

 

If multiple people accuse you of doing something you might want to reexamine what you're doing.

 

Just my thought/advice… might be better and easier for you to ignore the people trying to get a rise out of you… you’re entitled to to your requirements of an ev and anyone who says differently is irrelevant.

i regularly have to ignore “rage bait” in other threads that actually is my market. Clearly some can’t see how they come off…. So just ignore them and carry on….