I handle all things car related, including getting gas.
My wife just puts the keys in and drives. Lol

 

Why not just hire a car service?

He only has ONE EV!! He has 2-3x more petro cars than you do!! 😂

 

driving between point a and b, getting on and off highways, handling lights, stops, turns, and more, is WAY beyond adaptive cruise control (ACC).

not sure how you can characterize all tesla drivers with a sweeping statement lol. there’s TONS of enthusiasts who have teslas.

if i lived in a city, i probably wouldn’t have a car… just use uber/waymo/walk/subway/etc. but i don’t so in the country a car service would be slow, inconvenient, more expensive, and involve other people.

 

My point was merely where those assists came from, soon it will be on everything and Tesla will not be special at all or have any selling points over other brands mainstream products. In reality many people going forward simply will not drive so car sales will decline from that and the unavoidable population collapse we will see in the next 10 years in the west.

Also traffic is basic driving, it's so brain dead easy you literally should not be expending any effort. My wife drives a manual car in rush hour traffic on 270 near daily without active though. About the only thing I like ACC for is on interstates so I can just check out for 10 hours or if there is heavy traffic so I don't need to move my foot and can stretch. As soon as the roads are back to normal I resume manual control

People who are halfway decent at driving do not need or want a car to do it for them. People who don't really drive or have any real connection with their cars are attracted to those features

I hate cities so living in one is a non issue for me.

 

Looking at the thread title what exactly is considered a "modern car". 2 years old, 5 years, 10 years?

 

It's subjective but to me it's anything before forced telematics (whether or not you are subscribed to the service or not). so anything with a modern 4g / 5g radio built in to send data back to the manufacturer. for lexus /toyota it's pre 2017+ models

 

As a car enthusiast I would always want a car regardless of where I live. Having a car I value is part of who I am as a person. One of the main reasons I have chosen NOT to live in the city is cars.

People are enthusiasts of a thing at certain parts of their lives and that enthusiasm wanes in other times in their lives too.

 

This is my definition as well.

 

I couldn't possibly care less what my car is sending back to Mercedes.

 

Well... Alexa and Siri supposedly listen to every thing I say. My phone and watch track my movements, locations, speed, steps, heartbeat, blood oxygen... on and on around the clock. The feds, state and local governments all have my personal info including prints and passport photo. Financial institutions including banks, brokerages and CC companies have all my financial information and history, as well as a zillion vendors have my CC information and regularly suffer data breaches. Hell, I recently sent the feds another form1. What intrusive hellscape is new car tech?

 

Exactly. This whole idea that data from my car or my body or whatever is something to be closely protected is just fuel for the ego IMO. They can have whatever data they want as long as its not used against me in some way.

 

My Tundra after 300k miles doesn't drip, burn or otherwise lose oil detectable on a dipstick between oil changes. A flashing light telling me the engine was a quart low of oil would be better if it read "Sell This POS" . Seriously though, do your vehicles really lose that much oil between oil changes?

 

Okay cool, now let's get back to the market at large and not early 2000s tundras with UZ engines that make no power and thus have no stress to cause problems. Hell fun fact you may not know but UZs have oil level sensors in many applications, I've also seen literally dozens of UZs leaning from upper pans and cam seals so you simply have an example that didn't have issues.

In the context of most newer cars people will not check a stick so a sensor is better because it actually forces them to know what is going on.

 

ok but she has you so she doesn't need to bother to learn....

 

She would just drive cars until they failed in some way without me. When a tire goes flat, it needs air. When an oil light comes on, she would go to the dealer. Thats the point.

Most people have no idea how to check a car's oil and have no interest in or intention towards learning.

Lets put it this way too, even us...cars used to have transmission dipsticks...now they don't. When is the last time you ever wondered how much transmission fluid was in your transmission or how it looked? I don't wonder or worry. But when there was a transmission dipstick I used to check it...