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Old Sep 12, 2025 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
I didn't cherry pick anything, I know the 600 is slower. Do you have links to your claim?



Well, keep in mind how much that engine costs... There's no way that could be a mass production engine. The engine alone probably costs as much as a whole not-cheap brand new Lexus.



Oh a Ferrari has to be red. Lambo yellow. Or black for both, I personally love black cars.
Never stopped the Germans from putting 12s into everything lol!

The V10 is expensive sure but it's not otherworldly expensive and a lot of the cost is from lack of volume, if they even somewhat tried to up numbers it could be in the $50-60k range like normal V12s are since it's only $70k-ish as is. Thats it's not even that far off, less than 20k more than my D4s engines new and the same price as a 3rd gen Bentley W12
Old Sep 12, 2025 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by patgilm
Absolutely, here you go. 6mph faster through the quarter mile is a lot faster. Also quicker in the 1/4 mile. 0-60 beat Lexus’ time and got 5.4 0-60.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ake-road-test/
A SWB RWD 460 is slightly faster but the 600 will destroy an AWD 460 badly.

The AWD 460 is almost comically slow for what it is and what year it was released/ran till, you would lose to a tuned LS430 or most GSs and ISs to say nothing about its German rivals.

However I really don't think that's the point with the 600 because it is such a good passenger experience. The power is more than enough for that job
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Originally Posted by Striker223
A SWB RWD 460 is slightly faster but the 600 will destroy an AWD 460 badly.

The AWD 460 is almost comically slow for what it is and what year it was released/ran till, you would lose to a tuned LS430 or most GSs and ISs to say nothing about its German rivals.

However I really don't think that's the point with the 600 because it is such a good passenger experience. The power is more than enough for that job
Show me. All 2007/2008 LS460s were RWD and I can’t find any tests that show it’s slower, all were over 14 seconds in the quarter mile and best trap speed was 102mph. Both slower than the 600.
Old Sep 12, 2025 | 07:21 PM
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Show me. All 2007/2008 LS460s were RWD and I can’t find any tests that show it’s slower, all were over 14 seconds in the quarter mile and best trap speed was 102mph. Both slower than the 600.
You will never get listed 0-60 on a stock tire 460, mine needed UUHP tires to hook. My dead 0-60 on draggy is 5.3-5.5 with no rollout removed like the magazines do, the car came with factory type MXM4 primacy tires and I could not for the life of me get it under 5.8 because grip was just useless and 2nd gear is way too high for a soft start. I was pissed off that my wife kept winning 0-60s in the tuned LS430 to the point I threw away the literally new tires in less than two weeks lol! I uprated both grip and track width substantially

The 600 will usually (almost always) win on the street because it's always 5.7 dead every time you launch, and it can do it from full lock on a merge. The RWD car will smoke them in that situation or tail out

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Old Sep 12, 2025 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
Never stopped the Germans from putting 12s into everything lol!

The V10 is expensive sure but it's not otherworldly expensive and a lot of the cost is from lack of volume, if they even somewhat tried to up numbers it could be in the $50-60k range like normal V12s are since it's only $70k-ish as is. Thats it's not even that far off, less than 20k more than my D4s engines new and the same price as a 3rd gen Bentley W12
But this is a cut above even those engines...it was a $450k car. This engine revs so fast that they HAD to make the tach digital bc an analog needle couldn't keep up. I don't think I've ever heard a better sounding exhaust, either.

And honestly, I'd bet this V10 is dead reliable to boot.... it is a Lexus. I bet each motor cost an absolute fortune and is part of the reason the car is so expensive.
Old Sep 13, 2025 | 07:05 AM
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No bathroom break, don’t need gas but we’re here. 🦫
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Originally Posted by AJT123
But this is a cut above even those engines...it was a $450k car. This engine revs so fast that they HAD to make the tach digital bc an analog needle couldn't keep up. I don't think I've ever heard a better sounding exhaust, either.

And honestly, I'd bet this V10 is dead reliable to boot.... it is a Lexus. I bet each motor cost an absolute fortune and is part of the reason the car is so expensive.
It is not a cut above, that's just in your head. It's actually below them as the ultimate level is a 16 followed by the 12s

The VAG V10 is a superior engine even in the V10 world if we are talking about objective performance metrics and has proven insane reliability

Each LFA V10 is $72k even at the low volume it as made it, that's it. The sound is the best engine ever made for sure but the expensive part of that car is the chassis and even that is not all that amazing. My sedans have higher torsional stiffness

All those facts out of the way the LFAs emotional experience is one of the best in existence

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Old Sep 13, 2025 | 08:32 AM
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It is not a cut above, that's just in your head. It's actually below them as the ultimate level is a 16 followed by the 12s

The VAG V10 is a superior engine even in the V10 world if we are talking about objective performance metrics and has proven insane reliability

Each LFA V10 is $72k even at the low volume it as made it, that's it. The sound is the best engine ever made for sure but the expensive part of that car is the chassis and even that is not all that amazing. My sedans have higher torsional stiffness

All those facts out of the way the LFAs emotional experience is one of the best in existence
Oh we know, nothing can touch a Volkswagen or Audi...

I'm not the biggest fan of W12s, V12s are different. But even then, to say this Lexus V10 isn't special is ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Oh we know, nothing can touch a Volkswagen or Audi...

I'm not the biggest fan of W12s, V12s are different. But even then, to say this Lexus V10 isn't special is ludicrous.
It's just facts, the 5.2 stock makes nearly 100 more HP and TQ with proven durability to 1400hp without having to do internal modifications.

W12s are just V12s made more efficient, stronger, smaller, and lighter, same reason the W16 was invented in the first place. To overcome the drawbacks of V16s and because a V12 didn't have the ability to hit power target reliably enough for Piech.

How many 12s have you owned? Driven? LFAs? None of those numbers are zero for me so I have direct experience

I also never said the Lexus 10 isn't special, I said it's one of the best experiences in existence and the best sound of anything. It's my 2nd favorite car of all time as well and I would only ever give one up for one other car if I somehow had one. I'm just being realistic as to what it actually is from a mechanical standpoint price be damned. They blew a lot of money deciding to make it out of CF and if they made it out of alum like originally planned and released it $150k cheaper and before the GTR it wouldn't have failed

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Old Sep 13, 2025 | 09:23 AM
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No bathroom break, don’t need gas but we’re here. 🦫
Great place to stretch out the legs and grab a snack
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
Great place to stretch out the legs and grab a snack
I like places with abundant gas pumps, no waiting.
And no waiting for the rest room either.

In and out, like a Pit Stop.
Shazam, back in business and on the road again.
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Originally Posted by Margate330
I like places with abundant gas pumps, no waiting.
And no waiting for the rest room either.

In and out, like a Pit Stop.
Shazam, back in business and on the road again.
Bucess is probs the only gas station where folks purposely fill up, and essentially can park at the pump, do all of that, come back and not get into an argument for being inconsiderate lol

its follows the "golden ratio" if there was a ever a thing of pumps to bathroom stalls lol

100:100
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Originally Posted by Framestead
Bucess is probs the only gas station where folks purposely fill up, and essentially can park at the pump, do all of that, come back and not get into an argument for being inconsiderate lol

its follows the "golden ratio" if there was a ever a thing of pumps to bathroom stalls lol

100:100
Um that's not technically the "golden ratio" but it is to ME. Lol 🍿 🏃‍➡️
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
Great place to stretch out the legs and grab a snack
I got gas at Exxon prior arriving to Buc’ees because I’m running a mild tune. But did grab a breakfast burrito and couple other snacks to bring back home.

Originally Posted by Framestead
Bucess is probs the only gas station where folks purposely fill up, and essentially can park at the pump, do all of that, come back and not get into an argument for being inconsiderate lol

its follows the "golden ratio" if there was a ever a thing of pumps to bathroom stalls lol

100:100
This is 100% true. It’s been a few times I know I left my vehicle at the pump for at least 30 min to walk in and find wife and kids pushing a shopping cart inside the store.
Old Sep 13, 2025 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
I like places with abundant gas pumps, no waiting.
And no waiting for the rest room either.
In and out, like a Pit Stop.
Shazam, back in business and on the road again.
We decided awhile ago that buc-ees are no longer worth the trouble. Lol. Their restrooms have no comparison and they do have a few good items but totally not worth the trouble driving through. I think their gas is higher than nearby stations.



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