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Old Sep 2, 2025 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
boat: a hole in the water into which to pour money.
There's an old saying...."If it flies, or floats, kiss your money goodbye".

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Old Sep 2, 2025 | 11:20 AM
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My Dad definitely agreed that the happiest days of his life were when he bought his boat and sold his boat lol. He enjoyed many good times on it, but when it was time to move it on it was time.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
There's an old saying....'If it flies, or floats, kiss your money goodbye".
The more common variant of that is "If it flies, floats or f***s, you're better off renting it."

And I say that as a boat owner who as of yesterday has been married for 35 years.
Old Sep 2, 2025 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames
The more common variant of that is "If it flies, floats or f***s, you're better off renting it."

And I say that as a boat owner who as of yesterday has been married for 35 years.
It ***s or drives or not, it's still safe to say you're better off renting it. Heck.... (if you know how to invest,) it's better off renting than buying a house too.
Old Sep 2, 2025 | 12:13 PM
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Happy anniversary!

Well, one benefit to high grocery prices I suppose is lots of gas points...


Old Sep 2, 2025 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
Maybe weight reduction? Lol. I was at a hotel the other day with my room facing the parking lot. I remembered reading a post from bit (?) about sunroof no longer a deal breaker so I was curious and counted how many had one (hopefully proving him wrong. Lol). Unfortunately, he was right, at least for this lot. IMO, pano is nice. I don't use mine a lot but once in awhile when it's cool or sky is clear, I'd have mine open. I think all Xs (5-7) have pano?
We have the sky lounge pano glass in the X7 where it matches whatever color the ambient lighting throughout is. Cheesy and cool at the same time.

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14.5 tank!? Man that is small. Why is there a 2.6 gal capacity difference between a TX 550h and a TX 550 F Sport?

The tank in the IS 500 is apparently 17 but it certainly feels smaller than that.

Like GS mentioned I assume smaller tank to help with weight.

17 gallon tank. If you pump soon as your low fuel comes on, how many gallons can you pump? I’m guessing your IS has the generous hidden reserve fuel as well.

Lots of TX owners with non PHEV drivetrain say they only pump around 12-13 gallons into their 17 gallon tank due to the inaccurate DTE.
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It's not to save weight, it's because Toyota doesn't know how to package cars well.
Old Sep 2, 2025 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
It ***s or drives or not, it's still safe to say you're better off renting it. Heck.... (if you know how to invest,) it's better off renting than buying a house too.
You are not better off renting. People become insanely rich from real estate. (not just their primary home)

There may be better investments but you build wealth just by being alive and living in your home.

Over my dead body before I answer to some leasing office or landlord ever again... That's worth it right there.

Like, death first.

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Yeah, thats a big negatory on the renting a house vs owning a house. You won't find many people who are sorry they bought a house decades ago. Plus theres the instability of having someone else in charge of where you live. I don't want to have to move because someone wants me to move or to sell their house or not be able to do what I want with where I live. Then there's the fact that owning a home doesn't preclude you from investing outside of that, and the costs of financing a home don't result in much higher costs than renting a similar home in many parts of the country.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yeah, thats a big negatory on the renting a house vs owning a house. You won't find many people who are sorry they bought a house decades ago. Plus theres the instability of having someone else in charge of where you live. I don't want to have to move because someone wants me to move or to sell their house or not be able to do what I want with where I live. Then there's the fact that owning a home doesn't preclude you from investing outside of that, and the costs of financing a home don't result in much higher costs than renting a similar home in many parts of the country.
Plus the leveraging edge
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In the Bay Area and other CA markets a reasonably average family home can easily cost 2.5 to 3m or more, and they rent for a LOT less than the cost to service a new mortgage plus other bills if you buy today. If you bought years ago then sure, but if you didn't the equation isn't as simple as it might seem.
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Happy anniversary!
Thanks!!
Old Sep 2, 2025 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames
In the Bay Area and other CA markets a reasonably average family home can easily cost 2.5 to 3m or more, and they rent for a LOT less than the cost to service a new mortgage plus other bills if you buy today. If you bought years ago then sure, but if you didn't the equation isn't as simple as it might seem.
Plenty of cheaper houses out there than that, and even then you're still not in control of your own housing situation which is a total non starter for me. I keep an eye on the markets nationwide, there isn't a market in the country where an average family home must cost $2.5-3M, even in the Bay Area you can buy a decent family house for under $1M. You may have to commute some and Its not going to be 5,000 square feet, or even 4,000 square feet but you don't need that. A family of 4 can very comfortably live in a 2,500 square foot house.

My wife got into the Pacifica tonight to take our son to an after school activity and it told her to put her foot on the brake to start, and wouldn't start. Finally started but now the CEL is on. Tried to get her to come back and get my car but she said they would be late if she did. Hopefully it starts when they come out, luckily they aren't far away... I'll pull the code when they get home...


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My wife got into the Pacifica tonight to take our son to an after school activity and it told her to put her foot on the brake to start, and wouldn't start. Finally started but now the CEL is on. Tried to get her to come back and get my car but she said they would be late if she did. Hopefully it starts when they come out, luckily they aren't far away... I'll pull the code when they get home...

Since it wouldnt start, a low-voltage code for the battery will sometimes trigger a check-engine light. I had to replace the battery in my Encore GX last winter, during that extreme cold snap, even though it was only a 4 years old and did not have that many miles on it. Today's vehicles have so many electronics that traditional 12V batteries have a lot of demand on them, particularly in short-trip/stop-and-go driving ...although some vehicles have gone to higher-voltage systems to compensate.

Batteries, though, don't usually die all at once, feast-or-famine. They usually give warning signs (as in my case) by gradual weakening of the cranking speed on the starter-motor that you can hear with your ears.

I know you and your wife like your Pacifica Hybrid very much (and I'm not belittling that)...but the unfortunate news is that for the last two years in a row, it ranked lower in reliability than any other single-vehicle in Consumer Reports' database.

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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Plenty of cheaper houses out there than that, and even then you're still not in control of your own housing situation which is a total non starter for me. I keep an eye on the markets nationwide, there isn't a market in the country where an average family home must cost $2.5-3M, even in the Bay Area you can buy a decent family house for under $1M. You may have to commute some and Its not going to be 5,000 square feet, or even 4,000 square feet but you don't need that. A family of 4 can very comfortably live in a 2,500 square foot house.
Oh I'm not making any of this up. The San Jose metro was the first region in the country where the median price for a SFH exceeded $2m about this time last year. We just left a San Jose neighborhood where most houses were under 2300 sq ft, were mostly built in the mid 1960s, and were generally between 2 and 3.5m. And that wasn't one of the hottest neighborhoods. The rent for a lot less than it costs to service a typical mortgage.



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