No, it wont lol. Its a very thin and light emblem. Its not a hard or heavy object it only weighs a few grams. Its also pressed against an aluminum hood that will deform when the pedestrians weight is put against it. Why will the hood deform? Because its designed to provide a cushion to the pedestrian, thats why it has to be a certain amount of distance above the engine block

 

So you think all the wasted efforts are worth the loss in improvments in other areas? My argument is the extra R&D costs and production cost increases are in no way worth the rounding error level improvement in survival at lower speeds than most residential areas

 

I don't believe they are wasted efforts on any level. I think modern cars are clearly safer for pedestrians than older cars and I can clearly see the changes in design that makes them so. I have no issue with R&D money being spent to make cars safer for pedestrians.

I want everything to be made as safe for everybody as it can reasonably be.

 

You are oblivious then, hoods do deform yes but I'm telling you it takes more force than you think and you will be busied by an object like that. I've slide across hoods during shooting classes and practice and if you are denting one or you screw up and you hand slides and you fall onto the hood (from a run mind you not a 20+ mph hit that you aren't picking when you plant your arm to slide) you will bruise yourself.

It's way worse if anything is between you and the hood, a leather holster will cause bruises that otherwise wouldn't be there. A metal hood star will cause more damage than if it wasn't there and I don't
know why you are defying that when it's fairly simple that more=worse

 

I can deform the hood with my hand, my whole body would deform it lol. You've slid across hoods? Sure you have LOL. Hilarious. Of course you're going to get bruised you got hit by a car...

 

Watch the hood deform and cushion the pedestrian:

 

Do you not have google and ability to look up common tactical shooting match stages?

It's a really common thing match designers include as well as shooting under the cars. You start in one, shoot 1-3 targets, get out and sprint to a line of 3 cars and slide over the hood of the 2nd one in the line and usually have 1-3 more targets then last one requires you to shoot under the front most car.

So yeah, I compete regularly so I've slid across many hoods and also shot though many windshields etc.....it sucks when you are trying to slide over and your hand slips.

You have also once again moved the goalpost, a hood ornament will hurt more than a plain hood. Period.

It also sounds like you don't really do anything with high physical demand and have low experience and that's fine, but don't accuse me of lying. Some people do contact sports for fun, I like sparring/fighting with people and doing stuff like shooting matches with full gear requirements. Just because it's a foreign concept to you doesn't mean people don't do it

 

Cool, now do it at 25 mph and get back to me if any of that makes any change. Look man, I come from a family of ER docs and was on the med school path before I left....you get hit by a car you are lucky to live.

My cop friends have given me many stories and shown some videos showing what happens when you hit someone who KNOWS you are going to run them down at 15 mph. 30-40 is taking limbs off, cars are used as weapons and they are trained to just run people over for a very good reasons. Hell you just FALL on your own via tripping and it has a high chance to mess you up, older folk just outright die. What do you think a 3k+ lb object hitting you does even if the whole front end is covered in a foot of foam?

You get hit over 7mph you are very likely to die or have permanent damage. The hood popping up a few inches will not stop that and it all amounts to re arranging deck chairs on the titanic. Those efforts would be better spent elsewhere like making the auto brake systems have higher success rates and installing automatic cleaning systems for sensors.

Better to avoid the hit at all and spend effort there vs this waste of time, same reason I say the best increase in survival rates would be better drivers and less idiotic pedestrians.

 

I just don't care labout any of that. You have a lot of fanciful tales about stuff you do like this, and remember you called me a liar first. You sliding across hoods in your tactical shooting matches has nothing to do with pedestrian safety. Zero.

I'll listen to the vehicle engineers who have studied this and designed vehicles to make them safer thanks. Just because design changes don't reduce risk to zero doesn't mean that they aren't worth making. Just because hitting somebody at 25 MPH may kill them regardless doesn't mean that protecting them at 20 or 15 or 10 or 5 isn't worth doing.

Unless you can show me something that proves you're going to be dead if you get hit over 7 MPH and none of this works, I'm going to regard that as total BS. Prove to me that a spring loaded hood ornament will hurt you when put between you and a deforming metal hood and I'll believe it. If that were true they would be banned especially in the EU where they take that even more seriously than here.

 

this totally makes sense. I never really understood why the Lexus L S500 has those active hood fuses where it raises the hood in a pedestrian crash

 

Of course, its just totally logical lol

The LS and the LC have those because they have really low hoods, so they got a variance from the requirement for the height of the hood over the engine block because they have those struts that raise the hood. That gap is the crush space. All about having more crush space to absorb crash forces vs the pedestrian absorbing them

If you just push down on the hood of a new car vs a car thats say, 20 years old the difference in flex is huge. Also in the front push in on the grille and all of that, it deforms and thats by design to absorb pedestrian hits. I actually closed the garage door on the grille of my car, and I was AMAZED there was no damage, the grille pushed in with the door and popped right back out. In an older car all of that would have been broken or the door would have been damaged.

 

Would this cause unnecessary injury???
Should be illegal, Imo.

 

Yup, and hood ornaments like that now ARE illegal. Rolls Royce for instance the spirit of ecstasy pulls back into the grille with any impact.

 

but eventually, that type of hood safety system will be on all cars.

 

I don't really see why it would be. If, by design, there is enough separation between the engine and the hood, there would be no need for this type of expensive system to increase that gap.