General Car Conversation 2024 - part 2
But these cars aren't capable of OTA. I don't understand your point here. I deal in reality, when keys need to be programmed to cars that use this technology the dealer needs to be paid to perform that work because it takes a technicians time. Why should the manufacturer pay because a vehicle owner lost a key? I have never lost a key but if I ever did that would be my fault and I would expect to have to pay to fix it.
More modern systems like Tesla uses and other carmakers are adopting are better, but that doesn't change the realities of dealing with the older systems in cars that use them.
More modern systems like Tesla uses and other carmakers are adopting are better, but that doesn't change the realities of dealing with the older systems in cars that use them.
Last edited by SW17LS; Dec 5, 2024 at 08:05 AM.
But these cars aren't capable of OTA. I don't understand your point here. I deal in reality, when keys need to be programmed to cars that use this technology the dealer needs to be paid to perform that work because it takes a technicians time. Why should the manufacturer pay because a vehicle owner lost a key? I have never lost a key but if I ever did that would be my fault and I would expect to have to pay to fix it.
Also on Volkswagens when you program a new key it erases the old keys which is good for security. But you need to make sure and bring all your keys if possible for programming the new one.
Okay, more about GM making great driving cars and tuning...
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...u3SE_HiICbu1sQ
2 Caddys and the Corvette are on the 10 best list. GM is the only maker that's on there three times. It isn't because they drive crappy.
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...u3SE_HiICbu1sQ
2 Caddys and the Corvette are on the 10 best list. GM is the only maker that's on there three times. It isn't because they drive crappy.
Okay, more about GM making great driving cars and tuning...
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...u3SE_HiICbu1sQ
2 Caddys and the Corvette are on the 10 best list. GM is the only maker that's on there three times. It isn't because they drive crappy.
https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...u3SE_HiICbu1sQ
2 Caddys and the Corvette are on the 10 best list. GM is the only maker that's on there three times. It isn't because they drive crappy.
Why would C&D rate the CT5 #14 and the 3 Series #1 if they felt the Caddy drove better? It doesn’t drive better. Doesn’t mean it drives “crappy”
Why would they do a job that takes an hour of labor caused by the owner losing their key for free? That just doesn’t compute to me.
Nobody said they drive crappy, we just said saying GM has best in the world chassis tuning is over the top.
Why would C&D rate the CT5 #14 and the 3 Series #1 if they felt the Caddy drove better? It doesn’t drive better. Doesn’t mean it drives “crappy”
Nobody said they drive crappy, we just said saying GM has best in the world chassis tuning is over the top.
Why would C&D rate the CT5 #14 and the 3 Series #1 if they felt the Caddy drove better? It doesn’t drive better. Doesn’t mean it drives “crappy”
On GM chassis tuning. I know this is ancient history to you all but I’ve read that back in the 70s the GM full sizers had significantly better chassis tuning and handling on they’re full size cars than Chrysler and Ford.
We have been talking about German engineering here a lot.
When I was younger, I would go visit an older cousin’s shop. I loved it because I got to sit in and tinker with a lot of different cars. I remember seeing the 1984 Corvette up close. I was in love with it after that. I remember how the interior of a VW Jetta looked so much different than the American tanks we had at the time. When I sat in econo Japanese cars I would notice how easily things functioned vs the domestics, like window cranks.
One time I was in an 80’s Benz and I decided to open the sunroof. Then, I couldn’t close it again. I started to freak out thinking I broke it. First, they laughed a bit, and then one of the mechanics went back to the trunk and manually closed the sunroof.
Do any modern-day cars have this option anymore?
When I was younger, I would go visit an older cousin’s shop. I loved it because I got to sit in and tinker with a lot of different cars. I remember seeing the 1984 Corvette up close. I was in love with it after that. I remember how the interior of a VW Jetta looked so much different than the American tanks we had at the time. When I sat in econo Japanese cars I would notice how easily things functioned vs the domestics, like window cranks.
One time I was in an 80’s Benz and I decided to open the sunroof. Then, I couldn’t close it again. I started to freak out thinking I broke it. First, they laughed a bit, and then one of the mechanics went back to the trunk and manually closed the sunroof.
Do any modern-day cars have this option anymore?
There are 2 Cadillacs, one Chevrolet and zero BMWs in their 10 best. The Accord is there as always, because they've always loved the chassis and the way it drives. Too bad only 204hp and a hybrid.













