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Old Dec 5, 2024 | 07:31 AM
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I’m a heavy phone user so if I am out running around it does die sometimes.
Old Dec 5, 2024 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
I wouldn't turn one down but I'm not crazy about the looks. That gen to me looks like 3 different people designed the car and never spoke.

I bet it's a hoot to drive, though.
I agree I’ve never liked any SL made past 2011. The new ones are just ugly.
Old Dec 5, 2024 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
What happens if your phone dies and you don't have the fob or card or whatever? Locked out?
what if a meteorite falls out of the sky and crushes your car?
Old Dec 5, 2024 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
You can’t change the way cars already designed and built work.
This happens all the time on vehicles that are capable of OTA.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
This happens all the time on vehicles that are capable of OTA.
But these cars aren't capable of OTA. I don't understand your point here. I deal in reality, when keys need to be programmed to cars that use this technology the dealer needs to be paid to perform that work because it takes a technicians time. Why should the manufacturer pay because a vehicle owner lost a key? I have never lost a key but if I ever did that would be my fault and I would expect to have to pay to fix it.

More modern systems like Tesla uses and other carmakers are adopting are better, but that doesn't change the realities of dealing with the older systems in cars that use them.

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But these cars aren't capable of OTA. I don't understand your point here. I deal in reality, when keys need to be programmed to cars that use this technology the dealer needs to be paid to perform that work because it takes a technicians time. Why should the manufacturer pay because a vehicle owner lost a key? I have never lost a key but if I ever did that would be my fault and I would expect to have to pay to fix it.
A lot of people get upset over the price of the key and the programming. They think the programming should be free. OR they expect us to come out to their house to program the new key when they lost their only key.

Also on Volkswagens when you program a new key it erases the old keys which is good for security. But you need to make sure and bring all your keys if possible for programming the new one.
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Okay, more about GM making great driving cars and tuning...

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...u3SE_HiICbu1sQ

2 Caddys and the Corvette are on the 10 best list. GM is the only maker that's on there three times. It isn't because they drive crappy.
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I was defeated this morning




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Originally Posted by Carfan94
A lot of people get upset over the price of the key and the programming. They think the programming should be free. OR they expect us to come out to their house to program the new key when they lost their only key.
Why would they do a job that takes an hour of labor caused by the owner losing their key for free? That just doesn’t compute to me.

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Okay, more about GM making great driving cars and tuning...

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...u3SE_HiICbu1sQ

2 Caddys and the Corvette are on the 10 best list. GM is the only maker that's on there three times. It isn't because they drive crappy.
Nobody said they drive crappy, we just said saying GM has best in the world chassis tuning is over the top.

Why would C&D rate the CT5 #14 and the 3 Series #1 if they felt the Caddy drove better? It doesn’t drive better. Doesn’t mean it drives “crappy”
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Why would they do a job that takes an hour of labor caused by the owner losing their key for free? That just doesn’t compute to me.



Nobody said they drive crappy, we just said saying GM has best in the world chassis tuning is over the top.

Why would C&D rate the CT5 #14 and the 3 Series #1 if they felt the Caddy drove better? It doesn’t drive better. Doesn’t mean it drives “crappy”
On the keys, they just don’t understand.

On GM chassis tuning. I know this is ancient history to you all but I’ve read that back in the 70s the GM full sizers had significantly better chassis tuning and handling on they’re full size cars than Chrysler and Ford.
Old Dec 5, 2024 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
I was defeated this morning

Those look like the Denso designer wiper blades. I have them on my GS. And you can get just the refills for cheap. Or you can get the whole wiper blade off of rock auto if you don’t wanna fool with the refills.
Old Dec 5, 2024 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
what if a meteorite falls out of the sky and crushes your car?

Apparently, if the ECU is still intact, you can use your phone to unlock and get in to the pile of debris, but only if you and your phone survived the meteorite.
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We have been talking about German engineering here a lot.

When I was younger, I would go visit an older cousin’s shop. I loved it because I got to sit in and tinker with a lot of different cars. I remember seeing the 1984 Corvette up close. I was in love with it after that. I remember how the interior of a VW Jetta looked so much different than the American tanks we had at the time. When I sat in econo Japanese cars I would notice how easily things functioned vs the domestics, like window cranks.

One time I was in an 80’s Benz and I decided to open the sunroof. Then, I couldn’t close it again. I started to freak out thinking I broke it. First, they laughed a bit, and then one of the mechanics went back to the trunk and manually closed the sunroof.

Do any modern-day cars have this option anymore?
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Originally Posted by Carfan94
On the keys, they just don’t understand.
I misread you, I thought you said YOU thought the programming should be free...
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Nobody said they drive crappy, we just said saying GM has best in the world chassis tuning is over the top.

Why would C&D rate the CT5 #14 and the 3 Series #1 if they felt the Caddy drove better? It doesn’t drive better. Doesn’t mean it drives “crappy”
It's NOT over the top, I'm not imagining all of this. Do you think I'm lying just for giggles? Slowly I'll start digging and find plenty. GM has been producing cars that drive fantastically for a while now. They know how to make cars that are a blast to drive. The old Camaro, these Caddys C&D likes, C7 and C8. I'm not saying every single GM car is like driving a Ferrari. But professionals have lauded GM cars for their chassis tuning.

There are 2 Cadillacs, one Chevrolet and zero BMWs in their 10 best. The Accord is there as always, because they've always loved the chassis and the way it drives. Too bad only 204hp and a hybrid.



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