EV's 80% more problems than ICE
 

Naturally with the introduction of any new technology, it takes design iteration, trial and error, and time to get it all right, but it will get there.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electri...bility-report/

I don't really buy that. They have less issues but much higher annoyance to get parts/software if something does go wrong.

Except for Tesla, EV's are fairly new to legacy automakers. In that same Consumer Reports article it references, this is what they say about Tesla:

"Tesla’s Model 3 and Model Y are now the sweet spot in the automotive industry when it comes to building electric cars,” Fisher says. “While Tesla is still a relatively new car company, it has more experience producing EVs than any other automaker.”

“While Tesla’s EV components are generally reliable, the company continues to struggle with the build quality of its vehicles,” says Steven Elek, who leads the auto data analytics program at CR. “Tesla powertrains are now pretty solid for the most part, but Tesla owners report a lot of build quality issues including irregular paint, broken trim, door handles that don’t work, and trunks that don’t close. All of these pull down the brand’s reliability score.”

Tesla's mainly suffer from quality issues, which has nothing to do with reliability. And those quality issues have mostly improved year after year.

I'm in total agreement with @Striker223 . Legacy car companies and newer EV companies are struggling more with reliability, pretty much from what Striker stated.

As far as servicing my Tesla, at least where I live there are dozens of Tesla service centers. I can get an appoint immediately through the app, and if they need to keep my car they have loaners readily available. You can also pick you your car from them 24 X 7 when it's repaired or serviced

ICE vehicles had better be more reliable, they've been around and on the road for more than 100 years

CR as usual makes an absurd oversimplified 'analysis' about 'problems'.
tesla clearly has had build issues all along, but they appear to be getting markedly better (3/Y).
the drivetrains though are rock solid.

CR is so stuck in the past I almost feel sorry for them.

i'm sure their subscribers average age is really old.

One thing I can agree on is PHEVs. The most pointless category. Either be a regular hybrid or EV.

I think so. I don't know anyone under 40 that even knows what they are. I used to like them but that was going on 20 years ago now they seem like old men yelling at clouds unable to understand new tech. Watch a few of their round table type discussions, it's eye opening and not in a good way.

agreed... clueless people talking in vacuous platitudes.

Haha my brother in law has been a subscriber since the 1990s. He still gets the physical publication in the mail lol 🤣. He bought his model 3 because it finally showed up in their recommendation 😆. He's 64 BTW

I could see buying or leasing a new PHEV to be ok.

Wouldn't want to own a used one tho.
I believe they will be a money pit after 10 years AND 100k miles mark.

Curious why you think a PHEV is a money pit after 100k miles. Hybrids have been known to be reliable and cost efficient post 100k miles. Why does a larger battery and a plug become a liability?

I think PHEVs are pretty brilliant, personally.

PHEVs make no sense if you drive less than the EV only range most of the time, which is most people. 95% of the time you are lugging around a gas engine that does nothing this is silly.

PHEV's exist as nothing more than compliance vehicles mainly for the European market, where certain cities or localities will fine you if you drive any ICE on certain streets or areas. The theory is in-town, you'll turn on the EV mode to avoid being fined.

It's really funny to me to see how many people advocate for PHEV's as the "answer" to EV's when they literally combine the worst attributes of ICE (complexity) and EV (weight, public charging) without the benefits of either.

Why be one or the other when you can be both :D