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Old Oct 28, 2023 | 12:23 PM
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I have a used 2006 Lexus is250. The battery is dead and I was told that if you hold the key fob near the start button it will start a dead battery under the hood. It doesn’t though. Is there there a way to check on this other battery? Where is it located in the vehicle and is it common they go bad when they get old? Thank you in advance.
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Old Oct 28, 2023 | 03:15 PM
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Holding the key fob near the start button is done if the battery in the fob is dead. If the actual car battery is dead you would either need a jump or have another battery installed.
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Batteries last 3-5 years, and if they're that old and they get discharged you need to replace it. Have you tried to jump start it?
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Batteries last 3-5 years, and if they're that old and they get discharged you need to replace it. Have you tried to jump start it?
If you drive the vehicle enough to keep them well-charged, I've seen them go as long as 7 years.

The best ones I've seen were arguably the (former) Exide and Sears Die-Hard brands, but I don't think they are even in production any more....I haven't seen one for years. At one time, both had a vehicle-lifetime warranty.....which got shortened more and more over the years. They were not guaranteed to not go dead (that can happen with any battery), but were guaranteed to hold a charge.

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That refers to if the battery in the key fob is out of charge, not the 12V car battery under the hood
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If you drive the vehicle enough to keep them well-charged, I've seen them go as long as 7 years.

The best ones I've seen were arguably the (former) Exide and Sears Die-Hard brands, but I don't think they are even in production any more....I haven't seen one for years. At one time, both had a vehicle-lifetime warranty.....which got shortened more and more over the years. They were not guaranteed to not go dead (that can happen with any battery), but were guaranteed to hold a charge.
After 3-5 years though you're living on borrowed time, why not just replace them and avoid getting stranded somewhere? The battery in my S560 failed the load test and was replaced under warranty last week, ~ 3 years old.
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The battery in my S560 failed the load test and was replaced under warranty last week, ~ 3 years old.
I wonder if Mercedes simply used an undersized battery in the S560 to cut costs. S-models have large engines and a LOT of electrical accessories on board, necessitating a good-sized battery with decent CCA (Cold-Cranking-Amps).
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
After 3-5 years though you're living on borrowed time, why not just replace them and avoid getting stranded somewhere? The battery in my S560 failed the load test and was replaced under warranty last week, ~ 3 years old.
Or just buy a portable jump starter in case of a flat battery and only replace the battery when needed. No point tossing a battery with 2 or 3 years life left in it.
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I wonder if Mercedes simply used an undersized battery in the S560 to cut costs. S-models have large engines and a LOT of electrical accessories on board, necessitating a good-sized battery with decent CCA (Cold-Cranking-Amps).
The battery is HUGE lol, it’s like a marine battery. It’s in the trunk and takes up half of the back of the rear seat. The battery just developed a bad cell or something. I started getting a low 12v battery warning and then it failed the load test. Way better than it failing me after being parked at the airport etc.

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Or just buy a portable jump starter in case of a flat battery and only replace the battery when needed. No point tossing a battery with 2 or 3 years life left in it.
I do that as well, but for most cars a battery is $150, cheap to replace. If it gets discharged and it’s that old, I would replace it. If it’s 5 years old or so I would replace it even if it’s fine, when I used to own cars that long I always did.

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Or just buy a portable jump starter in case of a flat battery and only replace the battery when needed. No point tossing a battery with 2 or 3 years life left in it.
If you wind up with cell reversal--one of several failure modes that LA batteries have--no jump starter will help you. All of a sudden, in your efforts to reduce your battery expense from $30/year to $22/year, you're out $250 for a tow and still have to buy a new battery. And invariably, this will happen when it is least convenient to address.

That said, for years I've had an old-school resistive battery tester, and a few years ago graduated to an inexpensive electronic one. I test all our batteries twice a year (before and after winter). At the first sign of decline, I plan for replacement sometime in the upcoming weeks. On MY schedule, not the battery's. That peace of mind is absolutely worth $8/year to me.

How often you keep cars also plays into this, because you won't save as much as you think. If you keep cars for say, 10 years, and proactively replace a battery at the 5 year mark, you buy one battery. If you push it 6 or 7 years until you have to jump it to get home, you buy one battery. Total savings: $0.

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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The battery is HUGE lol, it’s like a marine battery. It’s in the trunk and takes up half of the back of the rear seat. The battery just developed a bad cell or something. I started getting a low 12v battery warning and then it failed the load test. Way better than it failing me after being parked at the airport etc.
Understood, but the physical size of a battery is not always a measure of CCA or charge-capacity.

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Originally Posted by geko29
If you wind up with cell reversal--one of several failure modes that LA batteries have--no jump starter will help you. All of a sudden, in your efforts to reduce your battery expense from $30/year to $22/year, you're out $250 for a tow and still have to buy a new battery. And invariably, this will happen when it is least convenient to address.

That said, for years I've had an old-school resistive battery tester, and a few years ago graduated to an inexpensive electronic one. I test all our batteries twice a year (before and after winter). At the first sign of decline, I plan for replacement sometime in the upcoming weeks. On MY schedule, not the battery's. That peace of mind is absolutely worth $8/year to me.

How often you keep cars also plays into this, because you won't save as much as you think. If you keep cars for say, 10 years, and proactively replace a battery at the 5 year mark, you buy one battery. If you push it 6 or 7 years until you have to jump it to get home, you buy one battery. Total savings: $0.
Exactly my point, and I have many times tried to use a jump starter or even jump a dead battery off another car and had it not work for that reason, it’s just incredibly cheap insurance. It’s like driving on 10 year old tires because they have tread still. Not me or my family.

The other point, a good jump starter costs about the same as a new battery!

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Understood, but the physical size of a battery is not always a measure of CCA or charge-capacity.
Im sure Mercedes uses the proper CCA and charge capacity battery. Before the refresh like mine is they actually had two batteries, they replaced that with one much bigger battery. My Pacificas had two batteries (the gas ones, not the new hybrid one). The accessory battery on my 2020 Pacifica also failed and the van had to be towed out of my garage. Could not be jump started. Battery was…you guessed it…about 3 years old.

So yeah, I want a new battery every 3-5 years. I wouldn’t throw away a functioning 3 year old battery, but if it got discharged or showed decline I would replace it. 5 years old? I’m replacing it.

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Understood, but the physical size of a battery is not always a measure of CCA or charge-capacity.
Until you start getting into exotic construction, there's almost always a near-perfect parallel between battery size/weight and CCA/reserve capacity. Based on his description, he has either a size H8/group 49, which will be 900CCA, or an H9/95R, which will be 950CCA.

The H8 is what I put in my 335d when the factory battery died, because it is the largest, most capable one that would physically fit in the battery well. It is 3 inches longer than the H6 it came with. That battery was 760 CCA and lasted 5 years. The 900CCA replacement lasted 7 (probably could have gone 8, but as noted above I replace it as soon as it's out of spec), and I expect as much out of the third one I just installed this year.
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Yep, it’s an H9
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Steve probably has an H9, they normally last extremely long.

My W12 had its original when I bought it, I swapped it out to a new one though since I didn't want to risk it. 110 amp hours and over 1000 CCA is spec for my car.
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