You WANT them to be right. How is Ford not spending 12BB and delaying (cancelling) a whole battery plant apparently nothing as you purport? That may not be total failure but it's not success lol.

Let's see where we are a year from now, with everything. If I'm wrong you guys can call me out to your heart's content...

 

No, I look at the numbers and draw my own conclusions. I don't own an EV, I have no dog in this fight. I just don't irrationally hate EVs.

Lets put it this way, nowhere in this exchange have you shown any curiosity as to the actual numbers...that shows me you're not interested in data that doesn't fit your narrative. All you have to do is google for sales figures of any model...but you haven't done that. All the data we offer you fail to respond to other than with another gaslighting post purporting a decline in sales has occurred as if we had not just proven that was untrue.

Ford delaying their battery plant shows that they feel they have overshot their projected demand for EVs in the near term and that its outside of their cashflow position at the current time. it does NOT mean that EV sales are falling, they are not falling. That data is out there for us to look at.

 

If we can't agree that Ford canceling all of this is not scaling back on a pretty big scale, this argument is going no where.

That's why I'd rather wait until next year and see what's up then.

 

I don't recall saying EV sales are falling, and if I said that I was wrong and didn't mean it.

Can we curb this... I'll be happy to pick this up next Christmas.

I don't irrationally hate EVs BTW.

 

You again are moving the goalposts to pretend this is an argument about something you think you can win.

Nobody is saying that Ford is not scaling back their projections for EV sales in the near term. What they are NOT doing is cutting current production, as you have claimed they are doing. EV sales are not falling, as you have claimed they are. EV sales are growing, which you have claimed they are not.

 

You can just stop replying...the rest of us want to talk about EVs.

LOL, okay

 

My argument has been the same this whole time.

There's no winning or losing on here.

How is cutting production by half not cutting production? And I don't recall saying EVs sales are falling. I just said if I did I didn't mean it that way, slip of the tongue.

 

Cool, but don't put words in my mouth. I never said EV sales are falling.

 

If you only consider a small slice of time then sure call it a failure. 10 years ago EVs were a total joke nearly every expert said they would never be successful. A certain short seller lost billions betting EVs would fail do you think he should make that bet again?
Well it comes across that way, you are extremely negative about them. It doesn't bother me just an observation.

EVs will win because they are better cars and are improving quickly. Battery costs since 2010 have dropped 10x if not more have gas engines dropped in cost 10x?

 

They aren't cutting production, thats how. They are reducing the amount they planned on increasing production to.

 

AJT, perhaps you mimssed my posts above 605 and 606 which are directly about your posts

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ev-...l#post11629388

it seems you can't accept change is happening.

oh and while tony soprano wouldn't have driven an ev, he's also dead.

 

........ because way less people want them than they thought. If they were building 3200 a month but are going to 1600, that's cutting production. They'll cut it again, watch.

 

OMFG! Seriously.

For the 10th time. They are not building 3200 a week! They were GOING to be building 3200 a week. They are currently building LESS than 1,600 per week. 1,600 per week is still an increase in production from what they are producing now.

Good lord....

 

Lol yes I can. But not nearly as quickly as some people, many people, think. Ford doing this is proof of it.

I never said EV sales are falling, lol. Just that the rose colored future might not look so bright.

 

In what time frame? 1 year? 3? 10? This matters. Auto makers that get it wrong will be toast.