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Old Sep 12, 2023 | 03:32 PM
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Data from GEOTAB and the North American Council for Freight Efficiency (NACFE) shows the true capability of the Tesla Semi. From the information gathered, the Tesla Semi seems to be living up to the hype







https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-semi...0-miles-range/
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The problem is that batteries are big and heavy. The more weight you’re trying to move, the more batteries you need to power the vehicle. But the more batteries you use, the more weight you add—and the more power you need. Even with big breakthroughs in battery technology, electric vehicles will probably never be a practical solution for things like 18-wheelers, cargo ships, and passenger jets. Electricity works when you need to cover short distances, but we need a different solution for heavy, long-haul vehicles.

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Nice one Bill.

Best thing about an electric semi is it's so much easier to drive. My cousin drives a big rig it is challenging in town and going down hills is frightening. When I told him there is now a battery powered big rig he didn't believe me.

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Nice one Bill.

Best thing about an electric semi is it's so much easier to drive. My cousin drives a big rig it is challenging in town and going down hills is frightening. When I told him there is now a battery powered big rig he didn't believe me.
I don't know when Bill Gates said that, but most people could never have predicted that Electric cars could ever be viable for anything more than 50 miles. In 2016 I looked at leasing an Electric Ford Focus, but the lack of range and no viable charging made it a no go. Model S was a rich persons toy, and Model 3 was more thought of as vaporware. So I'll forgive Bill on this one
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I don't know when Bill Gates said that,
3 years ago. Remember, Gates has shorted Tesla stock (maybe he still is) last I checked he has lost $1.5 billion doing it. He's always ringing the climate change bell but bets on Tesla to fail. That's a special kind of hypocrite.
but most people could never have predicted that Electric cars could ever be viable for anything more than 50 miles. In 2016 I looked at leasing an Electric Ford Focus, but the lack of range and no viable charging made it a no go. Model S was a rich persons toy, and Model 3 was more thought of as vaporware. So I'll forgive Bill on this one
I won't. He lacks vision, or maybe just hates being one upped by Elon. Or something else. Either way for a supposedly smart guy he sure gets a whole lot wrong.

Anyway, Tesla has big plans for the Semi they are trying to capture a big chunk of the heavy vehicle market.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
The problem is that batteries are big and heavy. The more weight you’re trying to move, the more batteries you need to power the vehicle. But the more batteries you use, the more weight you add—and the more power you need. Even with big breakthroughs in battery technology, electric vehicles will probably never be a practical solution for things like 18-wheelers, cargo ships, and passenger jets. Electricity works when you need to cover short distances, but we need a different solution for heavy, long-haul vehicles.

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Originally Posted by LeX2K
3 years ago. Remember, Gates has shorted Tesla stock (maybe he still is) last I checked he has lost $1.5 billion doing it. He's always ringing the climate change bell but bets on Tesla to fail. That's a special kind of hypocrite.
you're looking at his short ideologically, but he did it financially, figuring tesla was overvalued. was a bad move, but it doesn't make him a hypocrite.

even elon musk does stupid things, lol.
https://futurism.com/elon-musk-moved...ervers-himself

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3 years ago. Remember, Gates has shorted Tesla stock (maybe he still is) last I checked he has lost $1.5 billion doing it. He's always ringing the climate change bell but bets on Tesla to fail. That's a special kind of hypocrite.

I won't. He lacks vision, or maybe just hates being one upped by Elon. Or something else. Either way for a supposedly smart guy he sure gets a whole lot wrong.

Anyway, Tesla has big plans for the Semi they are trying to capture a big chunk of the heavy vehicle market.
As Bit mentioned, you are looking at a financial decision he made, probably on advice from financial advisers. Lots of smart people shorted TSLA, doesn't make them bad people. Bill Gates last I looked, was never in the EV business, so again I won't hold this against him. The dude's net worth is $111.9 Billion making him a pretty smart guy. Whats a Billion or two he lost on TSLA in the big picture?
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you're looking at his short ideologically, but he did it financially, figuring tesla was overvalued. was a bad move, but it doesn't make him a hypocrite.

even elon musk does stupid things, lol.
https://futurism.com/elon-musk-moved...ervers-himself
Did Bill Gates admit he was wrong? Did he change his mind and buy Tesla stock?

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Did Bill Gates admit he was wrong? Did he change his mind and buy Tesla stock?
Nobody at his level of fame and wealth are going to admit they were wrong. I can point out situations where Elon inflamed the situation but would never admit in a million years he should have just stayed quiet. We have a saying in the belief system I follow..."Learn silence just as you learn speech".

What I'm trying to say is, don't take someone's dislike or even bad mouthing of Elon personally. If I did, I would have less friends and bad relationships with family members.

That said, everyone was wrong about the Semi. It's going to revolutionize mass transportation of goods

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Nobody at his level of fame and wealth are going to admit they were wrong.
It's right in the link above you. Elon has admitted to being wrong many times, for example went too far with automation admitted the mistake said humans are underrated. Awhile back he stated the seats in the first Model S were one of the worst ever made, for any car. That qualifies as admitting a mistake.
I can point out situations where Elon inflamed the situation but would never admit in a million years he should have just stayed quiet. We have a saying in the belief system I follow..."Learn silence just as you learn speech".

What I'm trying to say is, don't take someone's dislike or even bad mouthing of Elon personally. If I did, I would have less friends and bad relationships with family members.

That said, everyone was wrong about the Semi. It's going to revolutionize mass transportation of goods
I'm not taking it personally, in fact I'd argue some here are taking criticism of Gates personally. I simply stated self professed *limate change expert put a big bet on the company doing most to help in the cause Gales claims to believe in. And oh yea he was dead wrong about Tesla Semi.

Here's Elon admitting being wrong.
everyone was wrong about the Semi
Except the people that made it happen.
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It's right in the link above you. Elon has admitted to being wrong many times, for example went too far with automation admitted the mistake said humans are underrated. Awhile back he stated the seats in the first Model S were one of the worst ever made, for any car. That qualifies as admitting a mistake.

I'm not taking it personally, in fact I'd argue some here are taking criticism of Gates personally. I simply stated self professed *limate change expert put a big bet on the company doing most to help in the cause Gales claims to believe in. And oh yea he was dead wrong about Tesla Semi.

Here's Elon admitting being wrong.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1421324932076773378

Except the people that made it happen.
Companies settle cases because it's cheaper than having to go to trial and getting stuff dragged out in public. It has nothing to do with admitting wrong or being a good samaritan. My former CEO settled a case once with someone who claimed he had an oral agreement with him that never existed. The guy had no footing to even stand on, yet he settled the case because it was cheaper than having to fight the guy in court. You're mixing up a financial decision with being a good samaritan.

The last statement I made about the Semi was that people were wrong about it. It wasn't meant to be anti Semi. Read my statement again

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Companies settle cases because it's cheaper than having to go to trial and getting stuff dragged out in public. It has nothing to do with admitting wrong or being a good samaritan. My former CEO settled a case once with someone who claimed he had an oral agreement with him that never existed. The guy had no footing to even stand on, yet he settled the case because it was cheaper than having to fight the guy in court. You're mixing up a financial decision with being a good samaritan.
Elon claims Tesla will never settle if they feel they have done no wrong. Don't know how that is going exactly.
The last statement I made about the Semi was that people were wrong about it. It wasn't meant to be anti Semi. Read my statement again
I know, but the larger picture here (at least for me) is how most everything Tesla does is seen as all wrong until it turns out to be a gigantic success. Take FSD for example it has many times been ranked last out of all the autonomous systems out there. It is almost a certainty this will turn out to be completely wrong.

Here is Elon talking about being wrong

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Elon claims Tesla will never settle if they feel they have done no wrong. Don't know how that is going exactly.

I know, but the larger picture here (at least for me) is how most everything Tesla does is seen as all wrong until it turns out to be a gigantic success. Take FSD for example it has many times been ranked last out of all the autonomous systems out there. It is almost a certainty this will turn out to be completely wrong.

Here is Elon talking about being wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KRj-j13Sso
Tesla is no doubt the most innovative company that exists. But it's not all roses. their employee turnover is huge. I'm not talking high level engineers, but floor workers, techs, service managers. My son's friend was a service tech at Tesla Fremont, and they worked him and all the other techs like dogs. Tensions are really high, there was even a shooting there last year or year before where one of the employees killed another. When I went to take my Tesla in for the rattle a couple of months back, you could see the stress in the service managers...they were way overworked and understaffed. There were only 4 service managers and more than 20 or 30 Tesla's lined up.

I don't care what Elon says about not settling, that's not a decision he can make. That's up to the lawyers and financial people. Even he doesn't have the ability to micromanage to that level
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It is easy to work for other auto makers? Serious question. For me personally I've only ever had one IT job that was cake the rest were hectic and in general highly stressful. I got used to it to the point where I didn't notice anymore it wasn't until I retired that I realized how much it was taking out of me.

Cost per mile compared (Bill Gates likes "bio" fuels and hydrogen)

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