You just used an individual anecdote.

 

Yeah, that was his point.

 

A used Toyota with deferred maintenance will still be garbage. Comparing the reliability of a new to a used car will never be in favor of the older used car, simply because it's very dependent on the maintenance of who owned the car previously.

 

yes, exactly. you are using a few stories to declare that the entire brand skimps on its warranty. data is worthless in small numbers.

I own a Hyundai and I'm on the owner forums and I don't see any true evidence of this.

 

Hyundai and Kia have a much longer warranty because people don't trust the cars. Toyota has been the most reliable brand since the early 70's and have consistently had one of the shortest warranties. Those are the facts, accept them or not.

BTW using an anecdote of an engine replacement is not helping to show Hyundai/Kia as being reliable.

 

Right, Hyundai and Kia have a lot of history of making poor cars to overcome, that’s why they have a long warranty to help alleviate those concerns for buyers. Just because historically Toyota has made very reliable cars and 20 years ago Kia and Hyundai were making garbage doesn’t mean that is how it is today in 2023. Kia and Hyundai have been working really hard to prove themselves while Toyota has really sat on their laurels over the last 10 years and made some truly unappealing cars. Personally, I like the company working hard to prove themselves. That’s what appealed to me about Lexus. They aren’t the same today.

The CURRENT data shows Hyundai and Kia are making great cars today.

And again, you haven’t explained why you chose a car with a terrible reputation for quality and reliability over a Toyota or Lexus EV yourself. Since you seem to be of the opinion that history and reputation are everything when selecting a car…that decision appears to be a double standard.

 

I can also share anecdotes about Toyota and Lexus engine replacements.

 

Build quality of my Model Y is excellent, the interior materials are great. Nothing cheap about them. Far, far better than the average Toyota. I know, I look at them all the time when I pick up parts which is generally a few times per week. Tesla is in another universe when it comes to safety and software. Driving dynamic is incredible. As for Kia the ones I've driven were awful I HATED the throttle mapping. Interior quality is completely forgettable. Not a terrible car, I would never consider one. The question was asked VW or Kia, I'm giving my answers deal with it.

And stop harassing me about my car choices it's becoming creepy.

 

So you chose to ignore the historical data and take a chance because you like the product so much. Which is exactly what I did with Mercedes, exactly what people who buy Hyundais and Kias do. When I drive a Palisade or Telluride and a Highlander, I just don’t like the Highlander nearly as much. So, I take a chance. Just like you did.

You are disagreeing with us, so we can disagree with you. If you want to only read what you write, write a blog.

Just pointing out that you are giving advice that you yourself did not follow. I seem to have hit a nerve.

 

Back to the question at hand: The Forte should have all the current safety systems, BSM, lane assist, etc. in addition to the long warranty. We were skeptical at first about buying a Kia after our older RX was totaled. We just needed a vehicle for true city driving-decided to try a Soul and if it didn't work out would dump it. 3 years later we still have it. Good on gas, plenty of cargo capacity, and so far-knock on wood-no issues.. Did have the anti-theft update done at the dealer, but they shuttled me home and back so there was no issue there.

 

20+ years ago is generally when Hyundai/Kia STOPPED making garbage. in fact, from what I can remember, the first inkling of somewhat better quality was in the 1997 Tiburon I sampled. It was a halfway decent vehicle, noticeably better than their earlier products.

 

They were still pretty crappy cars back then.

 

This is why among other reasons.

Tesla Model 3 Shows High Reliability in Long-Term Ownership, per Survey

Do you understand now?
I never said this.

 

You chose to believe that source not all the other ones that say otherwise because you wanted the car. There is nothing wrong with that.

 

You have zero clue why I buy the cars I do. Even when I tell you it's still not good enough. It's also quite hilarious or maybe concerning you are obsessed with what I buy and what I think.