have you looked at what you can get for a 10k toyota?

quick look on autotrader will show you it's a 10 year old corolla with 140K mi.

it may be still running, but no thanks.

and we found that looking at a "13k" used car ends up being 20k with undisclosed 'servicing' costs done on the car (allegedly), 'required' 'protection' packages (pure b.s.), fees, tag, taxes.

 

Kia is not anywhere near as reliable as the average Toyota yet they have a far longer warranty. People need to ask themselves how Kia can afford this. Spoiler: they can't which is why they do exactly what you say.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used...ing=359256730/

 

If I was spending $20k on the VW at 50k miles, I'd want to be traded out of it by the time it hits 90k miles max.

Even that would make me nervous but no way would I want to be holding it by 100k miles.

 

Again, reliability is only one factor. Will a Toyota be more reliable? Perhaps. You have to drive an old boring Toyota though, and the Forte is a more appealing product even than a new Corolla. Reliability isn’t everything, and now @LeX2K you have bought one of the lowest rated vehicles there is for quality and reliability, a Tesla. Why did you do that when Toyota reliability reigns supreme? Because the product appeals to you more. Could have bought a Toyota/Lexus EV but they are nothing compared to your Model 3. You chose product over reliability and quality.

You’re going to argue that the studies are all wrong yada yada but that’s the argument you are refuting here to those of us who say get the Kia, so that’s not gonna fly.

Here is the latest IQS, Tesla second from the bottom, Kia is in the top 10, above Lexus, Toyota is below average, below Mitsubishi, BMW, JEEP, JAGUAR!, MASERATI!:



Here is the latest VDS, reminder this is a measure of reliability of 3 year old cars, Kia is #3, below Lexus but above Toyota, and Kia, Genesis and Hyundai are all in the top 10. Tesla is 3 from the bottom, which is the car you chose.



Bottom line is, times are changing and Hyundai & Kia make well made reliable cars now.

 

Then please explain why Kia, according to J.D. Power, has outdone Toyota in the quality department for three years in a row. And, no, J.D. Power cannot be bought off by auto-manufacturer dollars. Neither can Consumer Reports.

https://www.jdpower.com/business/pre...ility-studyvds

 

Exactly, it makes no sense. Times are changing...

I would buy a Kia/Hyundai and drive it for many years without hesitation. Toyota has a reputation as being the most reliable car in the world, but I have owned many many Toyota products and I have never owned one that was completely problem free. Not one. I have been stranded by Toyota products, had to have them towed away. You know what was problem free for the three years I had it? My Kia Sedona. As with most reputations they are based on the past and with an open mind you realize that they really aren't earned.

 

My brother has had four new Kia products, including a new 2024 Seltos (which its still new and untested), and none of the other three have had any serious problems so far for at least 5 years...and he puts a fair number of miles on them. None of the engines have caught fire LOL....what few things came up was minor issues like the power-mirror control being spotty, a small creak/rattle in the rear hatch-lid over bumps (which I fixed with some insulation), and the climate-control system occasionally having a mind of its own with hot/cold-air vent-direction, needing a reprogramming.

 

I also know lots of people with them and none have had any problems.

I do have one friend who has an older Santa Fe who did have a catastrophic engine issue, but the Hyundai warranty covered the engine replacement at almost 90,000 miles with no hassle or issue. Obviously you don't want that to happen, but Hyundai stood right by the product and honored the warranty.

 

Well what do you want?

Do you want a reliable used car or do you want to blow a huge amount of money on a 4 cyl econobox? 10k is already an insane amount of money spend on a corolla, just buy something that isn't beat up and inspects well then change all fluids etc and mindlessly drive it for 100k+ miles....

You want me to find one for you lol?!? With 10k I'll find you a never crashed great shape car and service it up to like new easily since 5 figures for a corolla is a mountain of money

 

this was true 10+ years ago. not now.

exactly.

thanks, appreciate you looking that up! it's 20 years old though, doesn't have a backup camera (something this person wants). looks like a great car though.

as i said, you can't get a used corolla for 10k unless it's very old or TONS of miles.

we've looked for weeks.

 

For me I don’t want my kids in some old
car with no driver assistance and safety tech and without the latest crash safety design.

 

Give me your requirements and I'll see what I can find

 

Not perhaps, it will be.
Don't tell me or anyone what is a more appealing car, that's your opinion only.
You posted initial quality charts and are conflating them to mean reliability very disingenuous. As for Tesla reliability this subject has been beaten do death, if you really want to talk about it even more make a thread in EV chat.
Don't tell me why I chose what I did.
Sounds like you already know your charts are BS.
Initial quality, a highly nebulous term not to mention those charts are dubious at best. You really think Alfa Romeo is a more reliable car than Toyota?
There is no bottom line except what you've invented to convince yourself.
One of the best ever. No it doesn't have the latest tech what used car does?

 

You have no way of knowing that, can you see the future now?

Of course it’s my opinion. Your concept that a Kia or Hyundai will be less reliable than a Toyota is also only your opinion.

I actually also posted the VDS which is a measure of reliability. Tesla is near the bottom, yet you chose one anyways.

Regardless of why you chose it you chose it despite it being one of the lowest rated vehicles for quality and reliability in the industry, thats my point. By every measure I have ever seen. So you bought it anyways, hence why I and others don’t want Toyotas even though they have been in the past very highly rated (currently they are pretty mid pack), because other vehicles are more appealing to us for other reasons.

You mean the charts that are the industry accepted measures for quality and reliability that you use when they agree with your point of view?

In the same way you have convinced yourself your new vehicle was worth buying despite its incredibly low reliability and quality rankings?

Own it. Yeah I chose to ignore reliability and get what really appealed to me most and it was one of the best car decisions I have ever made. You can’t say that buying a car that has a reputation for poor quality and poor reliability is foolish when you did the exact same thing. If we are foolish, you are also foolish.

Much newer used cars?

 

you can use individual anecdotes all you want. my co-worker had 95K miles on his Sonata - engine replaced under warranty without any hassle or drama at all.