F Sport Ultra White - Rail Dust Paint Issues
07-27-17, 10:31 AM
#16
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What brake pads did you go to versus what was on the car?
07-27-17, 10:42 AM
#17
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WOW. That's easily one of the worst cases of iron specs I think I've ever seen.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen alot worse but typically on much older vehicles that have been completely neglected by the owners.
To address this problem you need to understand why it's happening. Here are the two most common things that can be causing it:
1. Heavy brakes dust landing onto the paint (Most of it is from your own car but some can be from other cars driving beside you on the road).
2. Rail dust. If you live in the city or industrial area, this can be a very frustrating problem.
Once the iron deposits get on the paint, if they are not washed off in time, they will turn into rust specs that are embedded into the paint as soon as you drive through some rain.
The best way to minimize these specs is to have a detail shop do a full decon service to remove everything, and have them install a ceramic paint coating that is your best bet at resisting these specs from getting embedded. Contrary to popular belief, coatings DO NOT eliminate this problem, they just make these specs alot easier to wash/scrub off during your normal washing routine. Once the vehicle is coated, spray the car down with iron-x every couple of months to remove any that may be on there.
Wash the car often, don't let it go to sht, regularly use iron-x and you will never have this problem or need to clay bar your car for many years. Yeah you might have a spec or two here and there but won't be anywhere near this bad.
Don't get me wrong, I've seen alot worse but typically on much older vehicles that have been completely neglected by the owners.
To address this problem you need to understand why it's happening. Here are the two most common things that can be causing it:
1. Heavy brakes dust landing onto the paint (Most of it is from your own car but some can be from other cars driving beside you on the road).
2. Rail dust. If you live in the city or industrial area, this can be a very frustrating problem.
Once the iron deposits get on the paint, if they are not washed off in time, they will turn into rust specs that are embedded into the paint as soon as you drive through some rain.
The best way to minimize these specs is to have a detail shop do a full decon service to remove everything, and have them install a ceramic paint coating that is your best bet at resisting these specs from getting embedded. Contrary to popular belief, coatings DO NOT eliminate this problem, they just make these specs alot easier to wash/scrub off during your normal washing routine. Once the vehicle is coated, spray the car down with iron-x every couple of months to remove any that may be on there.
Wash the car often, don't let it go to sht, regularly use iron-x and you will never have this problem or need to clay bar your car for many years. Yeah you might have a spec or two here and there but won't be anywhere near this bad.
When you say to do a full decon on the car what are you referring to? What time of ceramic paint coating should I look for them to use? Iron - X sounds like the miracle worker and we suggested that to the dealer with no bites, they told us to call corporate and eventually told us to sue them under lemon law. Right now I have the dealer willing to detail the car at my requests for as long as I own the vehicle. Corporate has looked at the car and told me I am not unusual at all. What I can't wrap my head around is why friends who own BMWs, Porsche and other brands don't have this problem. Is Lexus white paint softer or brake pads just awful?
07-27-17, 10:47 AM
#18
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No mud flaps, have not had those since my old 1980 Honda Accord days. Our winter was not as bad as it could have been and the first year I owned the car it was not out in the snow once as we had none that year. Never knew I was signing up for such a detailing nightmare with a white car, I though a black car was a challenge. Love the look of the car but could not recommend anyone buying one based on this.
07-27-17, 11:12 AM
#19
No mud flaps, have not had those since my old 1980 Honda Accord days. Our winter was not as bad as it could have been and the first year I owned the car it was not out in the snow once as we had none that year. Never knew I was signing up for such a detailing nightmare with a white car, I though a black car was a challenge. Love the look of the car but could not recommend anyone buying one based on this.
I have never owned a white vehicle, many black ones, but would never have guessed that it could be an issue due to rail dust!
I think once you get it cleaned up really well and then protect it with something, it should be much easier to maintain. Don't forget the before and after shots!! Good luck.
07-27-17, 12:58 PM
#20
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I do love the ultra white and cabernet interior like you had and that is what I so dislike about having a car that looks like it has the chicken pox. Dealer does not want to use the Iron X on the car for whatever reason. Working through them too as I had the PolySeal applied to the car to protect against environmental pollutants and it does make washing the car like a dream except for the metal shards..
How do you like your Audi now? I almost got the Q5 but liked the room in the RX as I haul a lot of stuff as I run a charity.
How do you like your Audi now? I almost got the Q5 but liked the room in the RX as I haul a lot of stuff as I run a charity.
I love the Q7 thanks, the combination of power, handling and refinement is incredible..It's an amazing machine..
07-28-17, 11:16 AM
#22
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I know that is what is throwing us as the car only has 15,000 miles and we noticed when the car only had 3,000 miles. The car has been into the dealer over and over but I can't attest that they actually looked at the brakes. Corporate Lexus representatives keep telling me this is so normal and to expect this. But, they can not show me one other car that looks like mine at such a young age. They keep mentioning my brakes but when I push them on this point they back up rapidly.
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07-28-17, 04:58 PM
#23
You're up north. Seized calipers are extremely common. Although I have not heard of it happening on a 2 year old car with this kind of low mileage, you can't rule anything out.
We have a customer with an 09 IS350 that has 26k miles and when his caliper(s) seized, Lexus replaced his caliper(s) free of charge, as well as a faulty water pump and I believe a few other mechanical items. Moral of the story is, even at low mileage, when you have horrible weather (winter) conditions, anything can happen and in our customer's case, the fact that his almost 9 year old car barely gets driven and sits alot only adds to the problem.
His IS is silver and when we clay barred it the first time a couple of years ago it was pretty badly contaminated with large orange specs, the kind Iron-X doesn't really handle too well so a bunch of manual clay barring was still necessary. We just did his car again and this time around although it still had quite a bit of orange specs, it was the normal expected amount that would accumulate over the year.
We have a customer with an 09 IS350 that has 26k miles and when his caliper(s) seized, Lexus replaced his caliper(s) free of charge, as well as a faulty water pump and I believe a few other mechanical items. Moral of the story is, even at low mileage, when you have horrible weather (winter) conditions, anything can happen and in our customer's case, the fact that his almost 9 year old car barely gets driven and sits alot only adds to the problem.
His IS is silver and when we clay barred it the first time a couple of years ago it was pretty badly contaminated with large orange specs, the kind Iron-X doesn't really handle too well so a bunch of manual clay barring was still necessary. We just did his car again and this time around although it still had quite a bit of orange specs, it was the normal expected amount that would accumulate over the year.
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08-03-17, 08:21 PM
#26
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Most cars are also delivered via rail (train). They get a lot of that dust during the trip.
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08-08-17, 04:18 PM
#28
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From carwash.com here is a definition - Rail dust is exactly that, when cars are transported by train (rail) from the factory to a city, the metal wheels of the train cars running on metal rails create small particles of metal that fly into the air and land on the horizontal surfaces of the car.
I live no where near factories, rail road tracks and the car is low mileage, stored for the winter and babied.
I live no where near factories, rail road tracks and the car is low mileage, stored for the winter and babied.
08-08-17, 04:22 PM
#29
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Did you see rust particles or did you just decide to clay bar?
08-08-17, 07:41 PM
#30
Thanks for the photo as we have always felt it was from the car coming from Ontario to Buffalo on the rail car. The dealer basically agreed today but corporate says no way. We just took pictures using a microscope which I will post later as it was pretty interesting looking at what it looks like in the clear coat of the paint.
Did you see rust particles or did you just decide to clay bar?
Did you see rust particles or did you just decide to clay bar?
I would've tried the iron x unfortunately this was all done with a rinse less method as we did not have access to free flowing water. Car was washed with optimum no rinse and distilled water then prepped with eraser then gloss coated for long term protection and to aid in preventing these in the future.
The wheels, tail lights, headlights, fog lights, wheels, door jambs, trunk liner, and engine was all coated as well.