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Plus I heard that the new Meguiar's microfiber pad system doesn't work so well on the XC3401 as it does on a traditional DA such as the GG that doesn't have forced rotation. It's not really a problem since I have no interest in using anything other than foam pads, but if you are osmeone who might be interested in the new Meguiar's MF system, that is something to think about.

Big Mack

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Hmmm...I went directly to Griot's site and they make absolutely no mention of it having a lifetime warranty on any documentation, including the owner's manual. Where did you find this info? That's a pretty good selling point and I would think they would tout it.

Big Mack

ITR43

http://www.griotsgarage.com/category...-+guarantee.do

ITR43

Sorry, I read your post wrong. You are correct, the Flex can now use 5" pads. You are also right about the Flex and the MF system. Although it CAN be used with the Flex polisher, it is generally not recommended. If you plan on using the MF system, the PC, Meg, and GG are the polishers to consider.

Big Mack

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Uh, no. Did you not see this portion?

They are not going to give a lifetime warranty on something mechanical like a DA. True enough, you may never need a warranty on a quality unit provided it's not abused, but brushes in motors do wear out over the years and are not covered since that is normal, not a defect. Sears offers lifetime warranty on Craftsman hand tools, but only a year or two on their electric/air tools because parts do wear out.

Before you assert that a product has a lifetime warranty, I suggest contacting Griot's directly since even the manual does not state it - and yes, I looked it over extensively before asking.

Big Mack

Bigrahizzl

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Detailed image, do the have the correction system in stock for the 5"??

Do you guys prefer the meguiars microfiber correction system?? I mean I saw the video on auto geek and seems like a promising system. But then again I don't have much experience with detailing, only detailed 3 times in the past 4 years

ITR43

Calm down. It's not that serious. Your first post said there was no mention of it having a lifetime warranty. The link mentions lifetime warranty. See..I can make a play on reading comprehension too.

Big Mack

iTrader: (1)

First off, don't tell me what to do and no need to make an assumption. I asked a very simple question after doing 2 minutes of reading and you seem to be the one getting excited. Making a false assertion and possibly swaying a decision is actually pretty important. I simply asked where you got the incorrect information from. If you want to re-read what I said, I stated that there was no mention of a lifetime warranty on any documentation, including the owner's manual, which is 100% true. A blanket statement on a website is not documentation, an owner's manual and a specific product information page are. There was no "play on reading comprehension," that portion of your assertion is still incorrect and should not be taken into account when choosing between the machines. And the "mention" was contradicted by the very next statement, so how is that even relevant?

Big Mack

Todd@ProperAutoCare

If you are going to use the Meguiar's DA microfiber system as your mainstay polishing system then the Meguiar's G100v2 is going to be your best bet.

It has several advantages as it relates to the microfiber system that the other polishers don't have.

1) Cruise control- The G110v2 will detect bog and increase the power out put to keep your speed (measured in OPMs) constant. This is important because the DA Microfiber system performs best when operated between 4800-5200 OPM. With other machines you have to 'guess' at the speed and guess at how much OPM bog you are getting. With the Meguiar's DA, you simply select the dial and the machine will compensate. It is far more accurate.

2) A very precise speed dial- The other machines use a rather clumsy speed control dial that features large (and sometimes uneven) differences in speed between clicks on the dial. The Meguiar's G110v2, on the other hand, features a very precise and linear speed selector that lets you dial in the exact amount of power you need.

This isn't too say that the other machines are not good, but the physics of DA polishing is such that precision vs. over all power is more important when reaching the true potential of the machine. Meguiar's designed the v2 to work better with the MF system and at least in my testing, they have done a great job.

embolism

re the GG lifetime warranty. Just call them and ask. I've read a few posts from pros on AG that have sent theirs back for a replacement. As long as you buy it from an authorized dealer (amazon is not), the warranty should apply.

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That's going to be tough to say because the new system just came out. Some suppliers STILL don't even have it in stock yet because it's so new.

Basically, the concept Meguiars is trying to push with the MF system is that it delivers the safety of a DA, but the correction abilities that more resemble a true rotary. That is something that I question because I can't see how a machine spinning at 300-400rpm max (although OPMs are higher due to the oscillation) can compete with a machine that is on average run around 1500rpm for the correction phase. I guess that is something I'd have to try out to believe.

Another option you have is to get a few test panels at a junk yard for cheap and get a rotary to practice with. Honestly, too many people nowadays started out with a DA and never upgraded to a rotary because in their opinion there is no need for it, which in part, may be true. However, keep in mind that any nice rotary will be a MUCH more pleasant machine to use than a DA that will tend to walk you and seem like it's got a mind of its own. Plus the lower quality DAs like the PC will vibrate alot more then something like a Flex XC3401 (which still is nowhere near as smooth as a rotary).

Just throwing it out there since it seems you are exploring the options available. Rotaries are only dangerous if you don't use common sense. Keep it below 1650rpm, don't put any pressure on the machine (let it work under its own weight) and always beware of your arm speed to make sure you aren't doing one spot too long and you won't have any issues.

jfelbab

I own both a PC and a Makita 9227c. The Makita hasn't been out of it's bag in over a year. I can do everything I need to with a DA and now with the microfiber pads I can do everything I used to need a rotary for. The idea that you need a rotary to do serious correction is now obsolete. In fact, the microfiber pads on a DA work as quickly as the rotary ever could.

Bigrahizzl

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So microfiber is better?

jfelbab

It is for the paints I've tried it on. It may not be the best for all paints, especially softer clearcoats.

Bigrahizzl

iTrader: (8)

Lexus paint?