20" Rims In My 06 GS430 Was a Failure
10-27-05, 12:53 AM
#33
Originally Posted by k_camacho1
No more than $1,300....
10-27-05, 12:10 PM
#34
Why not leave the stock size rim. You have auto engineers with years & years of schooling in engineering design who have said X size rim & tire is what is needed for the optimal perfomance of this car given its size & weight. Then you have a bunch of yahoo high school drop outs that say 19" or 20" (you pick the size) "LOOK" cool so everyone runs out to get them at the expense of performance and durability. pleazzzzzzzzze I'll take with the engineering team @ toyota/lexus has recommended because I opt for performance before looks, function before form. And I do understand a wider tire, ect ect performs better at times it does so only in limited condtions such as a race track, that is not indicative of what a daily driver goes through. I love the ******** that slow to 2 mph to cross a dip in the road or cross railroad tracks because they were stupid enough to lower a car to the point where it would only be of use on a race track -- again, hello HS drop out.
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
10-27-05, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Armand
Why not leave the stock size rim. You have auto engineers with years & years of schooling in engineering design who have said X size rim & tire is what is needed for the optimal perfomance of this car given its size & weight. Then you have a bunch of yahoo high school drop outs that say 19" or 20" (you pick the size) "LOOK" cool so everyone runs out to get them at the expense of performance and durability. pleazzzzzzzzze I'll take with the engineering team @ toyota/lexus has recommended because I opt for performance before looks, function before form. And I do understand a wider tire, ect ect performs better at times it does so only in limited condtions such as a race track, that is not indicative of what a daily driver goes through. I love the ******** that slow to 2 mph to cross a dip in the road or cross railroad tracks because they were stupid enough to lower a car to the point where it would only be of use on a race track -- again, hello HS drop out.
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
10-27-05, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Armand
Why not leave the stock size rim. You have auto engineers with years & years of schooling in engineering design who have said X size rim & tire is what is needed for the optimal perfomance of this car given its size & weight. Then you have a bunch of yahoo high school drop outs that say 19" or 20" (you pick the size) "LOOK" cool so everyone runs out to get them at the expense of performance and durability. pleazzzzzzzzze I'll take with the engineering team @ toyota/lexus has recommended because I opt for performance before looks, function before form. And I do understand a wider tire, ect ect performs better at times it does so only in limited condtions such as a race track, that is not indicative of what a daily driver goes through. I love the ******** that slow to 2 mph to cross a dip in the road or cross railroad tracks because they were stupid enough to lower a car to the point where it would only be of use on a race track -- again, hello HS drop out.
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
however, does that mean it's the best in EVERY aspect? not even close.
wider wheels will have better tractions with wider tires
larger wheels look better
larger wheels are easier to get curb rash
larger wheels are more expensive
larger wheels with lower profile tires handle better
larger wheels might have harsher rides
YOU are the one to make the call on whether something is important to you and how you want to personalize your cars. factory ones are just a guideline. and it goes the same to why some people put on exhaust (lower but nicer) or lowering the cars (stiffer ride but handles better).
and even for your needs. i am pretty much bet everything that if you get an aftermarket set of nice light weight 19s with good tires, your car will be faster, it will handle better, AND it looks better too.
10-27-05, 12:53 PM
#37
Originally Posted by Armand
Why not leave the stock size rim. You have auto engineers with years & years of schooling in engineering design who have said X size rim & tire is what is needed for the optimal perfomance of this car given its size & weight. Then you have a bunch of yahoo high school drop outs that say 19" or 20" (you pick the size) "LOOK" cool so everyone runs out to get them at the expense of performance and durability. pleazzzzzzzzze I'll take with the engineering team @ toyota/lexus has recommended because I opt for performance before looks, function before form. And I do understand a wider tire, ect ect performs better at times it does so only in limited condtions such as a race track, that is not indicative of what a daily driver goes through. I love the ******** that slow to 2 mph to cross a dip in the road or cross railroad tracks because they were stupid enough to lower a car to the point where it would only be of use on a race track -- again, hello HS drop out.
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
10-27-05, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Armand
Why not leave the stock size rim. You have auto engineers with years & years of schooling in engineering design who have said X size rim & tire is what is needed for the optimal perfomance of this car given its size & weight. Then you have a bunch of yahoo high school drop outs that say 19" or 20" (you pick the size) "LOOK" cool so everyone runs out to get them at the expense of performance and durability. pleazzzzzzzzze I'll take with the engineering team @ toyota/lexus has recommended because I opt for performance before looks, function before form. And I do understand a wider tire, ect ect performs better at times it does so only in limited condtions such as a race track, that is not indicative of what a daily driver goes through. I love the ******** that slow to 2 mph to cross a dip in the road or cross railroad tracks because they were stupid enough to lower a car to the point where it would only be of use on a race track -- again, hello HS drop out.
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
10-27-05, 03:55 PM
#39
Come on guys. He is entitled to his opinion. No need to defend modding cars. I read it, disagreed with it, shook my head, and moved on. I don't think he is hoping for you to change his mind. I will not go as far as calling it a thread type that starts with a "T" 
but it certainly did get a reaction. 
but it certainly did get a reaction.
10-27-05, 05:03 PM
#40
Originally Posted by Armand
Why not leave the stock size rim. You have auto engineers with years & years of schooling in engineering design who have said X size rim & tire is what is needed for the optimal perfomance of this car given its size & weight. Then you have a bunch of yahoo high school drop outs that say 19" or 20" (you pick the size) "LOOK" cool so everyone runs out to get them at the expense of performance and durability. pleazzzzzzzzze I'll take with the engineering team @ toyota/lexus has recommended because I opt for performance before looks, function before form. And I do understand a wider tire, ect ect performs better at times it does so only in limited condtions such as a race track, that is not indicative of what a daily driver goes through. I love the ******** that slow to 2 mph to cross a dip in the road or cross railroad tracks because they were stupid enough to lower a car to the point where it would only be of use on a race track -- again, hello HS drop out.
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
10-27-05, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Armand
Why not leave the stock size rim. You have auto engineers with years & years of schooling in engineering design who have said X size rim & tire is what is needed for the optimal perfomance of this car given its size & weight. Then you have a bunch of yahoo high school drop outs that say 19" or 20" (you pick the size) "LOOK" cool so everyone runs out to get them at the expense of performance and durability. pleazzzzzzzzze I'll take with the engineering team @ toyota/lexus has recommended because I opt for performance before looks, function before form. And I do understand a wider tire, ect ect performs better at times it does so only in limited condtions such as a race track, that is not indicative of what a daily driver goes through. I love the ******** that slow to 2 mph to cross a dip in the road or cross railroad tracks because they were stupid enough to lower a car to the point where it would only be of use on a race track -- again, hello HS drop out.
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
I drive my gs the way it was meant to be driven, like a performance luxury car and MTV Cribs inspired rims and tires dont cut it with my driving habits. If i wanted to slow down for every dip or crawl along the highway so everyone sees my pretty rims and too low a profile tire then I would not have spent $50k for a car. I would have bought a SCION and dressed it up
The day I get a car to "show" and not drive then maybe I would tinker with what are otherwise recommended spec on a car.
peace foo !
Wow. I take offense to that, and I am not easily offended...
Troll alert?
I make wheels for a living, and I can assure you that I am not a high school drop out. In fact, I am an engineer... Some of us take our careers and our cars very seriously. The factory engineers aren't the end-all be-all scientific geniuses you think they are; they are constrained by beancounters and marketing people, and must make compromises when specifying wheels, tires, and suspension for cars intended for a specific target market. They must design for the lowest common denominator - people exactly like you.
In fact, if you look at currrent trends, original equipment wheels ARE getting bigger. You can get a Jaguar with factory 20" wheels. Ferraris come with 19s. Even the super-engineered Porsche cars can be had with 19s. A customer told me today that the new BMW 760i is available with factory 21" tires.
Why? Many reasons: cars are getting bigger and heavier. They need more braking power. Bigger brakes typically mean bigger wheels are necessary. Look at the new Ferrari 430 or the 360 Challenge Stradale. You could not possibly put a smaller diameter wheel on the car- the brakes won't allow it. Also, customer are driving this trend - they want bigger, more stylish wheels. Cars are getting larger, so you could argue it is a matter of scale and proportion: bigger car = bigger wheels.
If you want to "ride stock," feel free to do so. The failure of the 20" set-up on the tread starter's car was unfortunate, but could have been avoided by a competent SHOP - the wheel manufacturer wasn't really at fault, the shop simply installed wheels which were intended for a different vehicle. Not all wheel manufacturers are passionate (or even responsible), but it is unfortunate that you would label us all as buffons.
For those of us who don't like to compromise or "blend with the rest of society," we will continue to modify our cars. Live with it.
Which begs the question: if you weren't at least a little interested in cars, why cruise our forums?
10-27-05, 11:25 PM
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ok guys, please be civil. everyone has their opinions and you are welcome to express it, but please do so in a liberal way. just like me, i completely disagree with his opinions, and i posted in a way to express my feeling and also to prove him wrong (at least i think so).
but please don't make this into another flame war
but please don't make this into another flame war
10-28-05, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCalSC4
they are constrained by beancounters and marketing people, and must make compromises when specifying wheels, tires, and suspension for cars intended for a specific target market. They must design for the lowest common denominator
There will always be different strokes different folks, but the use of blanket insults, and generalizations, is not really appropriate. There are many guys that cruise CL and have 100% stock cars, but can appreciate the effort and creativity in a modded vehicle- even if its not their cup of tea. Conversely, we "mod-freaks" openly accept those with stock cars (as long as there is a "L" on the hood!
)Seriously, we can all just get along!
10-28-05, 08:20 PM
#45
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Damn that black number looks hot!!!
About the wheels... dude you've got a car worth that much and a car people would die for (I would heheh), seriously get wheels to suit the car. I don't think those wheels suit at all (but I'm over the whole chrome thing).
About the wheels... dude you've got a car worth that much and a car people would die for (I would heheh), seriously get wheels to suit the car. I don't think those wheels suit at all (but I'm over the whole chrome thing).
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