Single Payer Action to Picket Whole Foods

Teal Sc400 · 08-21-09, 01:30 PM

The Liberals are coming! the Liberals are coming! to protest anyone Un-American suggesting different ideas/beliefs from the Obama administration. God forbid (someone who knows how to run/operate a business) Mr. Mackey a co-founder and CEO of Whole Foods Market Inc, writes an article (Aug.11,2009) suggesting different solutions from ObamaCare policies. Words gets out to the British...oops! Liberal's a plan ensues, with the non-profit organization Single Payer Action protesting(Friday, Aug. 21) at Whole Foods stores in Austin, D.C., and New York. The American protester's main objective is to put the company out of business, making more people dependent on the Government...Brilliant! What are your thoughts?

Mackey Article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...072865070.html

Single Payer Action to Picket Whole Foods
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/b...t-whole-foods/

4TehNguyen · 08-21-09, 01:39 PM

geez CEO just proposed an idea that WORKED in his own company to reduce medical costs, now the liberals want to boycott him

This is how they deal with dissent despite real world results.

MrMark · 08-21-09, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen

geez CEO just proposed an idea that WORKED in his own company to reduce medical costs, now the liberals want to boycott him

This is how they deal with dissent despite real world results.

This is EXACTLY how they deal with anyone with an apposing opinion, no matter who you are.

Well, guess who gets hurt? Is it the CEO, no. It's the workers, the suppliers, the vendors....wow....great idea Liberals....

Jeembo · 08-21-09, 02:35 PM

God forbid they exercise their free speech/right to assembly. Isn't this what you people were all for when the righties were screaming at the town halls?

And you guys label the lefties as hypocrites....

That said, I like Mackey's plan, mmmkay, but it doesn't do enough for the 50 million that are uninsured. I also see some value in a single-payer system (see: europe/canada/australia). With that many people uninsured, SOMETHING needs to be done. I'm sickened that BO has backed down a bit because of some loons at town halls.

J.P. · 08-21-09, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Teal Sc400

The Liberals are coming! the Liberals are coming! to protest anyone Un-American suggesting different ideas/beliefs from the Obama administration. God forbid (someone who knows how to run/operate a business) Mr. Mackey a co-founder and CEO of Whole Foods Market Inc, writes an article (Aug.11,2009) suggesting different solutions from ObamaCare policies. Words gets out to the British...oops! Liberal's a plan ensues, with the non-profit organization Single Payer Action protesting(Friday, Aug. 21) at Whole Foods stores in Austin, D.C., and New York. The American protester's main objective is to put the company out of business, making more people dependent on the Government...Brilliant! What are your thoughts?

Mackey Article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...072865070.html

Single Payer Action to Picket Whole Foods
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/b...t-whole-foods/

Lets stop the constant jabs at whatever party you disagree with. Please make your point without the extra garbage.

jracerlmn · 08-21-09, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeembo

God forbid they exercise their free speech/right to assembly. Isn't this what you people were all for when the righties were screaming at the town halls?

And you guys label the lefties as hypocrites....

That said, I like Mackey's plan, mmmkay, but it doesn't do enough for the 50 million that are uninsured. I also see some value in a single-payer system (see: europe/canada/australia). With that many people uninsured, SOMETHING needs to be done. I'm sickened that BO has backed down a bit because of some loons at town halls.

have the majority suffer so we can cater to a minority?

you forget that some of those 50 million choose not to have healthcare insurance.

in addition, life isn't fair. Life is hard. I'm going to sound like a ****, but why should we level the playing field? I'm getting taxed up my ass already.

J.P. · 08-21-09, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeembo

God forbid they exercise their free speech/right to assembly. Isn't this what you people were all for when the righties were screaming at the town halls?

And you guys label the lefties as hypocrites....

That said, I like Mackey's plan, mmmkay, but it doesn't do enough for the 50 million that are uninsured. I also see some value in a single-payer system (see: europe/canada/australia). With that many people uninsured, SOMETHING needs to be done. I'm sickened that BO has backed down a bit because of some loons at town halls.

You have to show me how many of those 50 million cannot afford a basic policy and out of pockets IF they wanted to.

I grew up in a lower middle class family, I work with kids that come from those families and overall MANY could buy a basic policy if they wanted to.

As my Dad had to do when times to got tough, the cigs and booze had to stop so he could pay his bills. Many people think someone should give them insurance rather than making it a priority to get some and pay for it. It may mean eating out less, less cigs and booze, maybe you do not get to go on a vacation every year.

For those that are really down on their luck and broke I do not wish them any harm and I want them to get care, I do not mind helping someone that is really in need.

I have seen people making 30k to 70k that just chose not to buy insurance and paid dearly for it.

And it’s not all loons making Obama back down, the majority of the people pissed are normal hard working people that see this is not the right way. SOMETHING does need to be done, congress could make things a lot better without making it a 1100 monster bill of BS.

From the people to know to what I read, most people agree we need to do something about healthcare, how congress is going about it is the wrong way.

Teal Sc400 · 08-21-09, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeembo

God forbid they exercise their free speech/right to assembly. Isn't this what you people were all for when the righties were screaming at the town halls?

And you guys label the lefties as hypocrites....

That said, I like Mackey's plan, mmmkay, but it doesn't do enough for the 50 million that are uninsured. I also see some value in a single-payer system (see: europe/canada/australia). With that many people uninsured, SOMETHING needs to be done.

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I'm sickened that BO has backed down a bit because of some loons at town halls.

^Look who's being the hypocrite with this statement.

Where in the topic above, did I mention they couldn't protest? What I suggested is that if you protest against this administrations visons for America you are a (how did you phrase it) a LOON.

4TehNguyen · 08-21-09, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeembo

God forbid they exercise their free speech/right to assembly. Isn't this what you people were all for when the righties were screaming at the town halls?

And you guys label the lefties as hypocrites....

That said, I like Mackey's plan, mmmkay, but it doesn't do enough for the 50 million that are uninsured. I also see some value in a single-payer system (see: europe/canada/australia). With that many people uninsured, SOMETHING needs to be done. I'm sickened that BO has backed down a bit because of some loons at town halls.

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/freedomli...nsured-big.jpg

time to debunk this false 47 million "uninsured" statistic:
18 million: "I can afford it but I dont want it"
8.4 million: "Im 18-25 years old and I'm indestructible"
12.6 million: "I'm illegal and I'm not here"
9.4 million: "I'm in between jobs and temporarily uninured"
8 million: "Im covered but my parents have not signed me up"
3.5 million: "I'm eligible for govt health programs but have not signed up"

whats the big deal again? Also apparently the other 80% can afford it.

How about thanking govt for creating the following competition killing laws:
1) You cant buy insurance out of state, effectively creating state insurance oligopolies.
2) Employer provided insurance gets huge tax breaks but an individual doesnt get these same tax breaks. Ever wonder why it was so expensive to go on your own?

Repealing these laws would greatly improve competition and wont cost the taxpayer a single dime.

Canada's system is doing fine right?
The Canadian Press: Overhauling health-care system tops agenda at annual meeting of Canada's doctors

Quote:

SASKATOON — The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"We know that there must be change," she said. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."

Canada's system is "imploding according to Canada Medical Association president:
Canadian Medicine: New CMA president Anne Doig urges medicare repairs

Thousands of surgeries may be cut in Metro Vancouver due to government underfunding, leaked paper

UHC, it just works!

Jeembo · 08-21-09, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J.P.

You have to show me how many of those 50 million cannot afford a basic policy and out of pockets IF they wanted to.

I grew up in a lower middle class family, I work with kids that come from those families and overall MANY could buy a basic policy if they wanted to.

As my Dad had to do when times to got tough, the cigs and booze had to stop so he could pay his bills. Many people think someone should give them insurance rather than making it a priority to get some and pay for it. It may mean eating out less, less cigs and booze, maybe you do not get to go on a vacation every year.

For those that are really down on their luck and broke I do not wish them any harm and I want them to get care, I do not mind helping someone that is really in need.

I have seen people making 30k to 70k that just chose not to buy insurance and paid dearly for it.

And it’s not all loons making Obama back down, the majority of the people pissed are normal hard working people that see this is not the right way. SOMETHING does need to be done, congress could make things a lot better without making it a 1100 monster bill of BS.

From the people to know to what I read, most people agree we need to do something about healthcare, how congress is going about it is the wrong way.

Very good points and I do agree with most of it. It's just infuriating the way some people here simply refuse to see or understand the other side of the story.

The enormous bill is really garbage. There's no way the plan needs that much crap in it. That said, I think BO's plan was solid overall. It'll promote competition between insurance companies and do loads to make insurance available to those that want it (that don't have it).

MrMark · 08-21-09, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeembo

And you guys label the lefties as hypocrites....

That's because they left ARE hypocrites........only a blind Liberal can't see that.....

4TehNguyen · 08-21-09, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeembo

Very good points and I do agree with most of it. It's just infuriating the way some people here simply refuse to see or understand the other side of the story.

The enormous bill is really garbage. There's no way the plan needs that much crap in it. That said, I think BO's plan was solid overall. It'll promote competition between insurance companies and do loads to make insurance available to those that want it (that don't have it).

govt does not play fair to compete with private industry, why would they play fair when they are the law making arm, they are subsidized by taxpayer money, and they can print money. Govt should not be referee and player in the same game.

Obama talks about bringing competition to the market yet there is no talk about the govt created law that forbids you from shopping out of state for insurance. He would rather spend money than repeal a law that wouldnt cost any money. Letting people shop out of state for insurance would help a lot to lower insurance premium prices and to break the state insurance oligopolies.

Jeembo · 08-21-09, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Teal Sc400

^Look who's being the hypocrite with this statement.

Where in the topic above, did I mention they couldn't protest? What I suggested is that if you protest against this administrations visons for America you are a (how did you phrase it) a LOON.

The ones I'm calling loons are the ones screaming at the presenters at the town halls, interrupting responses from the presenter, and being disruptive in general. There's a reason they get thrown out.

The protesters you speak of are trying to set up a table at some grocery store. BIG difference there. If they were throwing fruit around the store or screaming at people walking in the door, I'd call them loons too.

4TehNguyen · 08-21-09, 03:26 PM

the funny thing is they want to boycott the company hence attempt to run it out of business and kill jobs. What is that going to accomplish, put more people on the dependancy line for the govt?

Teal Sc400 · 08-21-09, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeembo

The ones I'm calling loons are the ones screaming at the presenters at the town halls, interrupting responses from the presenter, and being disruptive in general. There's a reason they get thrown out.

The protesters you speak of are trying to set up a table at some grocery store. BIG difference there. If they were throwing fruit around the store or screaming at people walking in the door, I'd call them loons too.

The question we should be asking...why the up roar from the Single Payer Action people protesting (unless there is something in it for them)? The President has stated in the Town Hall gatherings for ideas on the healthcare bill. Mr. Mackey a co-founder and CEO of Whole Foods writes an article and gives his views/ideas to the President...why the protest, is Mr. Mackey's concept going to be adopted by the President?