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Old 07-18-14, 05:18 PM   #46
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There are so many precautionary measures and back up systems on these commercial airliners including a propeller connected to an on-board generator that comes out the back if all power is lost to put systems back on line. Do any of these airliners have a chaff dispense system on-board? Would that have diverted the BUK missle at all?
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There are so many precautionary measures and back up systems on these commercial airliners including a propeller connected to an on-board generator that comes out the back if all power is lost to put systems back on line. Do any of these airliners have a chaff dispense system on-board? Would that have diverted the BUK missle at all?
Buk Missile coming in at Mach 3 plus, that 777 was probably doing 550mph. They don't have missile warning systems on board civilian aircraft or countermeasure like chaffs etc...so they wouldn't have known even if they did at that speed and weight evasive action would have been limited. From time it was fired on ground to impact was probably less than 40 secs if that.
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The SA-11 missile (NATO designation GADFLY) is an active radar homing device, so chaff dispensers could have been at least somewhat effective against it. The problem is that any kind of missile countermeasures require a detection system and a maneuverable aircraft, neither of which civilian airliners have*. You need to be warned of the incoming missile, be able to project its course, and maneuver away from it as you pump chaff into its path to mask your escape. Not an easy or practical matter for a loaded airliner.

*It is belived that El Al, Israel's national airline, has onboard countermeasures that help defend against missile attack. These are typically installed on US combat aircraft and front-line cargo carriers. They are believed to include chaff and flares to divert radar and heat-seeking missiles, and even lasers to blind incoming heat seekers. Unofficial sources say these same type devices are found on Air Force One.
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There’s no doubt that Maarten de Jonge is thankful to be alive today. The 29-year-old Dutch cyclist has narrowly missed two brushes with death due to last-minute travel changes.


The first time, he was booked on now-missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 but ended up switching to an earlier flight.
Then last week, he was supposed to take Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 – the one that was shot down over Ukraine, killing all who were on board – but changed his departure to a different day.

In a statement, de Jonge expressed his simultaneous grief and thankfulness:

‘What has happened is terrible, so many victims, that’s a horrible thing,’ de Jonge wrote in a statement translated from Dutch.
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De Jonge told the Netherlands station RTV Oost that despite his second brush with death, he plans to take another Malaysia Airlines plane this week and has no concerns for his safety.
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‘I have been lucky twice, that’s the third time as well,’ de Jonge reportedly said.

So whether you call it luck, fate, karma or God’s will, we can all agree that Maarten de Jonge is one fortunate man.
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